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Re: Steam arguments, Garry'sMod sales figures

Postby FlynT on Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:23 pm

Yes man thanks for the quote. The right word in this whole topic is !Competition!
Valve has stamped out a platform that leads us all to the future of digital distribution but sooner or later other companies will kick in a similar system so that the competition could really start. Wait for the new bNet or Stardocks Impulse. And for my personal perception i always had the feeling that Valve Games and Steam are separated, paid by Valve but separate in Development.
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Re: Steam arguments, Garry'sMod sales figures

Postby zombie@computer on Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:00 pm

FlynT wrote:@Topic 1€=1$:
Bullshit! If i can get a game cheaper on steam, i buy it on steam if not i dont care and buy it somewhere else. You're not forced to buy a game on steam you can get any game in stores. I dont say that im happy with that 1€=1$ Bullshit but as a consumer i can decide what i do.
You cant really negate a negative by giving alternatives... If i say a certain store is expensive then thats bullshit because i can also buy at another store? wtf?

FlynT wrote:@Topic Fuck Steam:
Steam is FREE, you're even debt if you pay too much for a game.

Linux is free. Openoffice is free. I must love all freeware programs! OMG! Is it not possible to hate free stuff?

FlynT wrote: Steam has so much nice features no matter if you're a consumer or developer. You dont have to mess around with silly copy-protections, serials on paper or cd/dvd's
Valid point, though some people (like me) prefer dvds over a gimmehyourbandwidth type of platform.

FlynT wrote: you can chat with your friends and if you dont have friends or at least no friends on steam you can turn off the friends network, you dont need a community profile on steam all of this are optional features.
Please tell me how to disable it, im getting these annoing 'press thisandthat to access steam friends' messages all over.

FlynT wrote: And in times where 2gb or more ram is standard you can shit on a usage of 60mb, Firefox eats 100mb and up and no one cares.
There is more in life than ram. Steam uses cpu cycles even if you dont play any games (its minimal, but still). it uses even more when playing a game via steam. Steam uses bandwidth to download games, which i can use much better for streaming porn 24/7.
Yes, steam usually doesnt really hurt it terms of percentages (though low-performance platforms will likely suffer lots more), but does that really mean you should allow any crap that requires low amounts of resources, even if you dont really use the crap?

Oh, and if noone's forcing me to use steam, please explain to me how to install games like hl2 and episodes etc. without steam?

I speak only for myself (and probably millions more, but meh). I dont like steam, i dont want steam. Im not saying steam is crap, im just saying i dont want it the way it is now. If i can download a game legally through steam, fine, im more than happy to do so, easy and probably fast as well, but thats all i want from steam. No other bullshit to accompany it. I simply have no love for crapware like steam, gamespy and all kinds of cd/dvd rom protection and encoding software (i bought anno 1404, but then noticed it needed the same tages cdrom security thing as 1701. I dont want that crap, so on a nocd-crack went. (Heh, tages unbreakable, you wish).). Is that so hard to imagine for some of you?
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Re: Steam arguments, Garry'sMod sales figures

Postby stoopdapoop on Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:11 pm

Mess wrote:It's true, look at the whole idle servers / hats / weapon glitch enforcement Valve implemented in TF2... Steam is letting them keep an eye on their players, and then letting them enforce the EULAs better than any other system.


Sorry for mega late reply, but I don't see how that's different than any other online game with stats. If EA wanted to shaft players who stat padded in bf2, they could do so easily. Same with MMO's.
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Re: Steam arguments, Garry'sMod sales figures

Postby ThePain on Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:45 pm

zombie@computer wrote:Please tell me how to disable it, im getting these annoing 'press thisandthat to access steam friends' messages all over.


Click on steam icon.

Click on Friends.

Go to Status on the menu bar.

Select "Offline"



**Edit**

Just realized I don't even care that much. Valve says you need steam to play their games. If you don't want to use steam then...
It's quite simple really. I want to be a professional level designer. I want this to be my job.
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Re: Steam arguments, Garry'sMod sales figures

Postby FlynT on Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:53 pm

zombie@computer wrote:You cant really negate a negative by giving alternatives... If i say a certain store is expensive then thats bullshit because i can also buy at another store? wtf?

Dont get me wrong on this, i mean those guys who cry about the 1€=1$ situation on steam. Normally people who are not located in the US (like me). Ok its by far not fair what they do, but for me it seems that they aren't able to go out and buy it somewhere else. And here in Germany you can get a game on steam for 49,99€ and in stores you pay 29€ or 39€. Its ok to blame Valve for their pricing on Steam but some of them act like they have no other options.

zombie@computer wrote:Linux is free. Openoffice is free. I must love all freeware programs! OMG! Is it not possible to hate free stuff?

No of course not! You can hate and love whatever you like ;)

zombie@computer wrote:Valid point, though some people (like me) prefer dvds over a gimmehyourbandwidth type of platform.

Same as above

zombie@computer wrote:Please tell me how to disable it, im getting these annoing 'press thisandthat to access steam friends' messages all over.

The only way i know is the way that Pain describes. A friend of mine didnt use the friends network and he never get flamed by Steam to enable it to do something. Maybe theres a checkbox to disable all notifications on steam or somethings else like that. But i understand your opinion i also hate notes for stuff that i dont use or like.

zombie@computer wrote:There is more in life than ram. Steam uses cpu cycles even if you dont play any games (its minimal, but still). it uses even more when playing a game via steam. Steam uses bandwidth to download games, which i can use much better for streaming porn 24/7.
Yes, steam usually doesnt really hurt it terms of percentages (though low-performance platforms will likely suffer lots more), but does that really mean you should allow any crap that requires low amounts of resources, even if you dont really use the crap?

I dont mess with you on that point you're by far more experienced on that ;)

zombie@computer wrote:Oh, and if noone's forcing me to use steam, please explain to me how to install games like hl2 and episodes etc. without steam?

Ok bad sentence, on legal way you didnt have a choice. My bad


And again i dont attack anyone if he hates steam, everyone can decide what he likes and what not. Its only my opinion, i like discussions like that you have the one side who comes up with grounded facts and the other side who comes up with grounded facts. But the bad on this is, that we cant do that much :( I use in Steam nearly every function but if theres a chance for a lite-version im a supporter. Just to clear that out... again :P
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Re: Steam arguments, Garry'sMod sales figures

Postby zombie@computer on Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:35 pm

FlynT wrote:
zombie@computer wrote:You cant really negate a negative by giving alternatives... If i say a certain store is expensive then thats bullshit because i can also buy at another store? wtf?

Dont get me wrong on this, i mean those guys who cry about the 1€=1$ situation on steam. Normally people who are not located in the US (like me). Ok its by far not fair what they do, but for me it seems that they aren't able to go out and buy it somewhere else. And here in Germany you can get a game on steam for 49,99€ and in stores you pay 29€ or 39€. Its ok to blame Valve for their pricing on Steam but some of them act like they have no other options.

zombie@computer wrote:Linux is free. Openoffice is free. I must love all freeware programs! OMG! Is it not possible to hate free stuff?

No of course not! You can hate and love whatever you like ;)

zombie@computer wrote:Valid point, though some people (like me) prefer dvds over a gimmehyourbandwidth type of platform.

Same as above

zombie@computer wrote:Please tell me how to disable it, im getting these annoing 'press thisandthat to access steam friends' messages all over.

The only way i know is the way that Pain describes. A friend of mine didnt use the friends network and he never get flamed by Steam to enable it to do something. Maybe theres a checkbox to disable all notifications on steam or somethings else like that. But i understand your opinion i also hate notes for stuff that i dont use or like.

zombie@computer wrote:There is more in life than ram. Steam uses cpu cycles even if you dont play any games (its minimal, but still). it uses even more when playing a game via steam. Steam uses bandwidth to download games, which i can use much better for streaming porn 24/7.
Yes, steam usually doesnt really hurt it terms of percentages (though low-performance platforms will likely suffer lots more), but does that really mean you should allow any crap that requires low amounts of resources, even if you dont really use the crap?

I dont mess with you on that point you're by far more experienced on that ;)

zombie@computer wrote:Oh, and if noone's forcing me to use steam, please explain to me how to install games like hl2 and episodes etc. without steam?

Ok bad sentence, on legal way you didnt have a choice. My bad


And again i dont attack anyone if he hates steam, everyone can decide what he likes and what not. Its only my opinion, i like discussions like that you have the one side who comes up with grounded facts and the other side who comes up with grounded facts. But the bad on this is, that we cant do that much :( I use in Steam nearly every function but if theres a chance for a lite-version im a supporter. Just to clear that out... again :P

:) sry if my tone seemed a little agressive, didnt mean it :)
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Re: Steam arguments, Garry'sMod sales figures

Postby nub on Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:18 pm

The little ad popups for games that appear randomly can also be disabled through the settings menu; the interface tab I think. I keep it on though because sometimes I catch some interesting games from it. :D
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Re: Steam arguments, Garry'sMod sales figures

Postby FlynT on Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:22 pm

no everything is cool zombie ;)
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Re: Steam arguments, Garry'sMod sales figures

Postby infernox3470 on Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:55 am

Sathor wrote: It is in this contract that they will have to provide your games. They can't just say: Oh sorry, we take away your games. It is legally impossible. So don't worry.



Actually, they don't legally need a reason.

Valve hereby grants, and you accept, a limited, terminable, non-exclusive license and right to use the Steam Software for your personal use in accordance with this Agreement and the Subscription Terms. The Steam Software is licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or ownership in the Steam Software.
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Re: Steam arguments, Garry'sMod sales figures

Postby Phott on Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:08 am

infernox3470 wrote:
Sathor wrote: It is in this contract that they will have to provide your games. They can't just say: Oh sorry, we take away your games. It is legally impossible. So don't worry.



Actually, they don't legally need a reason.

Valve hereby grants, and you accept, a limited, terminable, non-exclusive license and right to use the Steam Software for your personal use in accordance with this Agreement and the Subscription Terms. The Steam Software is licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or ownership in the Steam Software.


I'm pretty sure they mean that steam can be cancelled, they mention nothing of the games in there.
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Re: Steam arguments, Garry'sMod sales figures

Postby poisonic on Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:29 am

The small game company's could have known that (read the small letters in a contract before you sign up with valve)
Notting is for free that era is over for good the only thing you get for free are viruses and spyware....

To my opinion some people are acting like little children...
I like steam maybe im the only one.... (i have almost every new valve game) and i like the service the give you for the buck.... any idea how much it would cost to keep their servers ready for you... you guys should piss on blizzard or other MORPG....

and if you get 8000 in a week what is that guy of garys mod complaining abouth.... valve gave them their tools to mod for free so that guy could better get a new job....

People should kill the pattent holder of online gaming.... if you make a game and its online to then you can spend a lot of monney.... (that patent is on a online card game) But thanks to stupid american law you can even have pattent on things you never invented....

And just like all little banks game company's get eaten alive by bigger game companys thats life..... because they cant survive on their own so its always nice if some company invests in you.....

Steam is exelent even if my house burns down i still have my games.... so stop complaning abouth valve... its so easy to blame your own mistakes to a bigger game company......

Next time if you sign a contract for steam at valve's office read the small letters in your contract its more than logical that you have to pay loyalty's to valve if you use steam to exploit your stuff online... if steam was an airplane do you realy think you could fly for free??? think again.... and be nice for interlopers because im sure valve is watching interlopers too...
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Re: Steam arguments, Garry'sMod sales figures

Postby FlynT on Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:49 am

What would that be °_° i buy a game on steam and they can take it away from me.
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Re: Steam arguments, Garry'sMod sales figures

Postby BaRRaKID on Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:14 am

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Re: Steam arguments, Garry'sMod sales figures

Postby zombie@computer on Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:54 am

Well, in all fairness, Gearbox made Opposing force, making it much, much, much cooler than Valve.
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Re: Steam arguments, Garry'sMod sales figures

Postby poisonic on Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:02 pm

FlynT wrote:What would that be °_° i buy a game on steam and they can take it away from me.


Thats in almost every agreement when you click Yes ;) so its not only valve that counts for almost every software agreement except for freeware but i could be wrong ;)
The holder of the rights has alwas the right to break the contract ;)
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