zombie@computer wrote:Well, in all fairness, Gearbox made Opposing force, making it much, much, much cooler than Valve.
But Valve made Half-Life, so that makes them (gearbox cool)^2 cool.
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zombie@computer wrote:Well, in all fairness, Gearbox made Opposing force, making it much, much, much cooler than Valve.
BaRRaKID wrote:zombie@computer wrote:Well, in all fairness, Gearbox made Opposing force, making it much, much, much cooler than Valve.
But Valve made Half-Life, so that makes them (gearbox cool)^2 cool.
poisonic wrote:FlynT wrote:What would that be °_° i buy a game on steam and they can take it away from me.
Thats in almost every agreement when you click Yes so its not only valve that counts for almost every software agreement except for freeware but i could be wrong
The holder of the rights has always the right to break the contract
FlynT wrote:If someone reads the topic title and then the latest posts, im sure he gets very confused
The fact is both of them made/make fucking great games
zombie@computer wrote:FlynT wrote:@Topic Fuck Steam:
Steam is FREE, you're even debt if you pay too much for a game.
Linux is free. Openoffice is free. I must love all freeware programs! OMG! Is it not possible to hate free stuff?
YokaI wrote:While I like Openoffice, I feel you make a very valid point there. I hate when people say "well, it's free" and because of that expect me not to have any standards for it. And in some sense, it isn't free at all because every time you pay for a game you can be sure a % of the money goes to the steam development budget.
FlynT wrote:YokaI wrote:While I like Openoffice, I feel you make a very valid point there. I hate when people say "well, it's free" and because of that expect me not to have any standards for it. And in some sense, it isn't free at all because every time you pay for a game you can be sure a % of the money goes to the steam development budget.
I never said that you have to love all "Freeware"! The only thing that i try to say is, its your stupidity if you pay to much for a game because of valve's shitty pricing. You HAVE the option to buy the game somewhere else, even Valve Games! And with "Steam is free" i mean Steam is a free download no extra costs or something similar like that, i know that you pay for it at the end of the day.
And comparing Steam with Open Office or Linux is by far a bad comparison. Steam was developed to make more money and to have control over User-Stats, not to bring an alternative to something already existing.
I like Steam but not at all or over all, Steam sucks in some situations. I like, that i dont have to take care about my CD-Keys, CD/DVD's or copy-protections. But i hate Steam if i try to start it offline or if i try to start an external map compile.
Check this article about Autodesk suing someone ("Vernor") trying to resell software on EBay that he bought from someone else ("CTA"):BaRRaKID wrote:Sorry for double post, but people seem to forget this.
You DON'T own any game you buy, either if it's on Steam or on a regular store. The same goes for other types of software. What you own is a license to use a certain service (in this case a video game), and that license can be revoked whenever the entity that gave you the license feels like it, it's what's usually called Software as a Service.
As the judge sums up Autodesk's argument, "Autodesk believes that it still owns the AutoCAD packages in Mr. Vernor’s possession. It contends that it never transferred ownership of the AutoCAD packages to CTA. Indeed, in Autodesk’s view, it never transfers ownership of AutoCAD packages to anyone."
[...]
Judge Jones ruled this week that Autodesk had in fact licensed its software, but that this was immaterial; what mattered was whether the license "transferred ownership" (more like buying a book) or was a "mere license" (more like renting a movie).
Although groups like the Electronic Frontier Foundation called the decision a major one for their side, Judge Jones made clear that the issue was swamplike in its murkiness. The Ninth Circuit, whose jurisdiction Jones is under, has issued various (and contradictory) ways of thinking about the difference between a "transfer of ownership" and a "mere license."
Jones was unable to reconcile the competing precedents, and so he decided the issue based the "oldest precedent among conflicting opinions from three-judge Ninth Circuit panels." That precedent favored the idea that Autodesk had essentially transferred ownership when someone purchased an AutoCAD license; that in turn triggered "first sale" rights to resell the software; that in turn vindicated Vernor's eBay auctions.
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