no00dylan wrote:I agree with you blink, completely, but you have to put yourself in the 'lopers shoes. Every day there's a new thread promoting a mod "in the works" that doesn't have anything to show for itself, asking people to join the "team" and make their mod. I don't know any people here on lopers who want to join a mod where there has been no work done, and the creator has no work to show for themselves.
Understand when you say "put yourself in lopers shoes" we are lopers and have been for a very long time. We understand that a lot of mods which will go nowhere get posted they have been posted for over four years now since before Hl2 was released, as blink says in the post honest constructive critisism is encouraged in these instances.
It's the fact that a lot of our members now see this as a chance to inflate their ego and paint 'lopers in an all together unsavory light whilst they do so.
If there is a post such as the ones we are suggesting and someone feels they absoloutly have to tell them they suck. Then they aren't the kind of 'loper we want here and they will be feeling the swift end of the ban hammer quite quickly, shoes and all.
My proposal:
Create a "Share Your Mod Idea" topic in the forums, that way people can create a thread all about their mod, give their Steam contact info, and wait to see if anyone gives them a beep. In these threads, the creator can choose to turn responses on or off depending if they want critism on their idea. as an extra safegaurd their could also be a little disclaimer before they allow comments that what they hear may not be what they WANT to hear. and instead of applying that warning and then ban for all mod threads, how about applying it to only the ones in the.
I dissagree with this idea. There shouldn't be a seperate topic for post your mod ideas since it somewhat defeats the purpose of having a mod thread. We want people to post their ideas and get feedback. Yes we get sucky ones but that's just life. Limiting them to one thread is just going to damage the community not help it. the answer here is in the 'lopers behaviour in the forums not how we can control them.
Secondly the idea of people making posts being able to turn comments off in my view is a terrible one.
One of 'lopers best points happens to be one of the points people are using as a source for their arrogance. We provide strong,fair and uncompromising critisism here. This forum is not a place for people to masturbate their egos or leave adverts lying around. It is a forum for discussion and feedback you take away comments you defeat that purpose even if it is an option.
Besides if you come across a thread with comments turned off what does it say about the creator? They know it's a bad idea anyway and they wont get the benifit of feedback.
Share Your Mod Idea" topic. In this topic we could have a sticky thread on the format of posting your idea. What this would do is 1. eliminate bad comments 2.Make the mod creator more comfortable 3. Make mod promoting more professionalized, thanks to the format template thread.
We don't want to turn 'lopers into the third reich. People should not be forced into a certain format for their posts nor are we looking to "eliminate" bad posts. If we have to go down the route of introducing regimented methods of mod proposal, having to authorise posts etc etc then interlopers wont be a fun laid back friendly community with a professionalised streak in it, It will become the very thing we're trying to avoid in this post. Besides we have plenty of guidelines on developing mod ideas and running them in the mod forum already but they are just that, guidelines.
What we would prefer is that we continue to trust interlopers as we have done for years now. We want to be able to leave you lot to it and for the most part you will police yourselves. I've moderated a number of forums and hoenstly this one is the easiest of the lot. Don't take this thread to mean we think you're all turning into complete arseholes and we're turning this place into a dictatorship to control the population. It is just as the title reads, "A Gentle reminder"