those simple questions thread...

[Ark11]

Last I checked you are not supposed to use env_cascade_light in your map. It's done automatically based on your light_env settings.

I originally just had the light_environment, but this issue happened then too. So I added the env_light_cascade but the problem still persists.

[nub]

Is it possible to lock verts in 3DS Max so they don't move from their position while editing other verts?

[nub]

This is one of the blend textures from the beta.

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WorldVertexTransition
{
$basetexture "ground/snow01"
$basetexture2 "concrete/blacktop_ext_01"

$envmapmask "ground\snow01_envmask"
$surfaceprop snow
$surfaceprop2 concrete
$blendmodulatetexture "ground/office_snow_blacktop_blendmod"
}


It looks ordinary.

Well, shit. Do blend textures render properly in Hammer for anyone else (CSGO Beta SDK)? Maybe the fact that my textures are an older VTF version are the cause?

[MaK]

Mine work perfectly fine.

[Dr. Delta]

Is it possible to lock verts in 3DS Max so they don't move from their position while editing other verts?

Interesting question, not that I know how you would do that. Why are you asking, if I may ask?

[nub]

Interesting question, not that I know how you would do that. Why are you asking, if I may ask?

I was gonna try and model a cliff side via the displace modifier and a heightmap for a rock texture I have, but I wanted the ends of the cliff to be "seamless" so you could repeat them without gaps and whatnot. However, I don't think I'll even bother with it at this point.

Mine work perfectly fine.

I figured out the issue. The 3D View "textured shaded polygons" render mode is currently broken. It doesn't render shaded polygons, and it breaks blend textures. Possibly does other funky shit that I haven't witnessed yet.

[TheEternalSage]

I hate to sound like a total N00b, but in reality I am. With Custom decals, why, even when I follow the tutorial EXACTLY, does it still not show up ingame OR in Hammer? The coding for it is:

"LightmappedGeneric"
{
"$basetexture" "PB_textures/Electro"
"$decal" "1"
"$translucent" 1
}

However it still just FAILS >:L

[Jordash]

Does it show up as purple checkerboard or can you not even find the texture?

[TheEternalSage]

Purple Checkerboard

[Jordash]

Double check your folder and file names, otherwise it might be a VTF error, the rest of your syntax seems fine. It's also best practice to only use lowercase letters, its a good habbit to get into.

[Dives]

I've been having an issue where light is casting straight through some world brushes like they don't exist. The brushwork is clean and on-grid, and my compile log is error free. Anyone else ever experience this? It doesn't happen if I disable t-junction fixups with the -notjunc command.

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materialPath: e:\games\steam\steamapps\common\left 4 dead 2\left4dead2\materials
Loading e:\games\steam\steamapps\common\left 4 dead 2\sdk_content\mapsrc\splash1.vmf
"materials/splash/glasswindow_refract01.vtf": cached version doesn't exist
"materials/splash/non_existant_texture.vtf": cached version doesn't exist
Patching WVT material: maps/splash1/de_cbble/grassdirt_blend_wvt_patch
Patching WVT material: maps/splash1/de_train/blendgraveldirt001a_wvt_patch
fixing up env_cubemap materials on brush sides...
0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...100...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10Processing areas...done (0)
Building Faces...done (0)
Chop Details...done (0)
Find Visible Detail Sides...
Merged 4434 detail faces...done (1)
Merging details...done (0)
FixTjuncs...
PruneNodes...
WriteBSP...
done (2)
writing e:\games\steam\steamapps\common\left 4 dead 2\sdk_content\mapsrc\splash1.prt...Building visibility clusters...
done (0)
Finding displacement neighbors...
Finding lightmap sample positions...
Displacement Alpha : 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10
Building Physics collision data...
done (3) (2820472 bytes)
Cannot build Physics2 data
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DataLinker total stream size                                     0.0 KiB
Placing detail props : 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10
Compacting texture/material tables...
Reduced 21553 texinfos to 8261
Reduced 996 texdatas to 860 (41703 bytes to 36867)
Writing e:\games\steam\steamapps\common\left 4 dead 2\sdk_content\mapsrc\splash1.bsp
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8 threads
reading e:\games\steam\steamapps\common\left 4 dead 2\sdk_content\mapsrc\splash1.bsp
max farz in all env_fog_controller entities: 19000.000000 (used for radial vis)
reading e:\games\steam\steamapps\common\left 4 dead 2\sdk_content\mapsrc\splash1.prt
1381 portalclusters
3477 numportals
0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...100...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10Optimized: 2926 visible clusters (0.00%)
Total clusters visible: 496084
Average clusters visible: 359
Building PAS...
Average clusters audible: 940
visdatasize:353203  compressed from 486112
writing e:\games\steam\steamapps\common\left 4 dead 2\sdk_content\mapsrc\splash1.bsp
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[Reading texlights from 'lights.rad']
[2 texlights parsed from 'lights.rad']

[Reading texlights from 'splash.rad']
[2 texlights parsed from 'splash.rad']

Loading e:\games\steam\steamapps\common\left 4 dead 2\sdk_content\mapsrc\splash1.bsp
Loaded alpha texture materials\models\props_foliage\Urban_Trees_branches03_mip0.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\models\props_foliage\hedge_128.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\models\props_foliage\Urban_Trees_branches03_mip0.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\models\props_foliage\Mall_trees_branches01.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\models\props_foliage\Mall_trees_branches02.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\models\props_street\police_barricade.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\splash\beige_lattice.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\splash\beige_lattice.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\models\props_plants\bushB.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\models\props_foliage\Urban_Trees_branches02_mip0.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\models\props_foliage\Urban_Trees_branches03_mip0.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\models\props_foliage\cedar01_mip0.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\models\props_foliage\Urban_Trees_branches03_mip0.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\gm_forest\brg_eik_brn2.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\models\props_foliage\Urban_Trees_branches02_mip0.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\models\props_foliage\Urban_Trees_branches02_mip0.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\Metal\metaltruss002a.vtf
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0 of 0 (0% of) surface lights went in leaf ambient cubes.
0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10Writing leaf ambient...done
Computing static prop lighting : 00...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10
Ready to Finish

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Level flags = 2

Total triangle count: 67669
Writing e:\games\steam\steamapps\common\left 4 dead 2\sdk_content\mapsrc\splash1.bsp
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[MacKenzie]

I've been having an issue where light is casting straight through some world brushes like they don't exist. The brushwork is clean and on-grid, and my compile log is error free. Anyone else ever experience this? It doesn't happen if I disable t-junction fixups with the -notjunc command.

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materialPath: e:\games\steam\steamapps\common\left 4 dead 2\left4dead2\materials
Loading e:\games\steam\steamapps\common\left 4 dead 2\sdk_content\mapsrc\splash1.vmf
"materials/splash/glasswindow_refract01.vtf": cached version doesn't exist
"materials/splash/non_existant_texture.vtf": cached version doesn't exist
Patching WVT material: maps/splash1/de_cbble/grassdirt_blend_wvt_patch
Patching WVT material: maps/splash1/de_train/blendgraveldirt001a_wvt_patch
fixing up env_cubemap materials on brush sides...
0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...100...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10Processing areas...done (0)
Building Faces...done (0)
Chop Details...done (0)
Find Visible Detail Sides...
Merged 4434 detail faces...done (1)
Merging details...done (0)
FixTjuncs...
PruneNodes...
WriteBSP...
done (2)
writing e:\games\steam\steamapps\common\left 4 dead 2\sdk_content\mapsrc\splash1.prt...Building visibility clusters...
done (0)
Finding displacement neighbors...
Finding lightmap sample positions...
Displacement Alpha : 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10
Building Physics collision data...
done (3) (2820472 bytes)
Cannot build Physics2 data
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DataLinker total stream size                                     0.0 KiB
Placing detail props : 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10
Compacting texture/material tables...
Reduced 21553 texinfos to 8261
Reduced 996 texdatas to 860 (41703 bytes to 36867)
Writing e:\games\steam\steamapps\common\left 4 dead 2\sdk_content\mapsrc\splash1.bsp
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8 threads
reading e:\games\steam\steamapps\common\left 4 dead 2\sdk_content\mapsrc\splash1.bsp
max farz in all env_fog_controller entities: 19000.000000 (used for radial vis)
reading e:\games\steam\steamapps\common\left 4 dead 2\sdk_content\mapsrc\splash1.prt
1381 portalclusters
3477 numportals
0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...100...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10Optimized: 2926 visible clusters (0.00%)
Total clusters visible: 496084
Average clusters visible: 359
Building PAS...
Average clusters audible: 940
visdatasize:353203  compressed from 486112
writing e:\games\steam\steamapps\common\left 4 dead 2\sdk_content\mapsrc\splash1.bsp
3 minutes, 40 seconds elapsed



[Reading texlights from 'lights.rad']
[2 texlights parsed from 'lights.rad']

[Reading texlights from 'splash.rad']
[2 texlights parsed from 'splash.rad']

Loading e:\games\steam\steamapps\common\left 4 dead 2\sdk_content\mapsrc\splash1.bsp
Loaded alpha texture materials\models\props_foliage\Urban_Trees_branches03_mip0.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\models\props_foliage\hedge_128.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\models\props_foliage\Urban_Trees_branches03_mip0.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\models\props_foliage\Mall_trees_branches01.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\models\props_foliage\Mall_trees_branches02.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\models\props_street\police_barricade.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\splash\beige_lattice.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\splash\beige_lattice.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\models\props_plants\bushB.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\models\props_foliage\Urban_Trees_branches02_mip0.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\models\props_foliage\Urban_Trees_branches03_mip0.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\models\props_foliage\cedar01_mip0.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\models\props_foliage\Urban_Trees_branches03_mip0.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\gm_forest\brg_eik_brn2.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\models\props_foliage\Urban_Trees_branches02_mip0.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\models\props_foliage\Urban_Trees_branches02_mip0.vtf
Loaded alpha texture materials\Metal\metaltruss002a.vtf
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0 of 0 (0% of) surface lights went in leaf ambient cubes.
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Computing static prop lighting : 00...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10
Ready to Finish

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Total triangle count: 67669
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is your ceiling any sort of entity? Also is the outside roof of it textured in nodraw or any other transparent texture?

[Dives]

All the walls, ceiling, and floor you see here are world brushes, no entities. The outside of the building is nodraw, but I've tried texturing it and it makes no difference.

Its sorta strange because I can be work working on other, far away parts of the map, and this lighting issue will stop spontaneously on one compile, then begin again with another compile. Even when I haven't touched the area.

The lighting issue not happening when I disable t-junction fixups suggests that some of the brush faces are being merged poorly, at least from vrad's perspective. I have deleted and recreated the brushes of the walls and ceiling several times but it continues to happen.

[joe_rogers_11155]

it is the inexplicable errors like that that make me loathe the source engine even though i am such a huge personel fan

[Gambini]

By any chance a hidden face of those brushes is textured either with skybox or with any transparent/alphatest texture?

You know only one small face of a large brush textured that way will make it completely innefective at blocking light/receiving bullet decals.