Is anyone else sick of Apple?

[Sauce]

hes right though the e70 is god.

[MayheM]

I was talking with a friend who was on some local forums about motorcycles, some guy posted this...

Guy 1: "hey guys I am sitting in a cafe posting this on my iPhone, how cool am I?"

Guy 2: "why dont you take a pic with your iPhone and post it for us to see"

Guy 1: "I can't post picture from my iPhone"

Guy 2: "PWNED by mass marketing"

Thsi is a great example of two things...
1. the average Mac user is a freaking DOUCH!!!
2. The iPhone is not the best thing out there, and it is not the "everything" it claims to be...

Buy and iPhone and install third party software not supported by Apple and void you warrenty. That is the biggest crock of shit ever. How is a company going to tell me what I can and can not put on what I own.

[punky]

Apple is sexy, but it depends on what you are going to do with your 'Imac' for example; everyone knows the Imac's or mac pro's are awesome for graphic designing etc(I know this because my dad is a graphics designer) but apple sucks when it comes to gaming etc...

[MayheM]

The way I see it, as I stated before having a background in Graphic Design, Apple is not the be all end all. PC's can do everything a Mac can do. They may be sexy when you first get them, but the cheap plastic they use yellows and gets dirty as hell over a short amount of time. Emasing talked about her iPod getting all scratched and smudged up and needing a cover/case for it. The fact is that the old myth of Macs being better for Graphics was started by Mac lovers before PC's had any of the software available and before PC's went to 32bit color. Macs had better video capabiliteis back then, but that is in the past. It makes me laught the whole thing where people run windows on theri Mac so they can play games. Mainly because Macs have a limited selection. So if Macs are so good with graphics why do they not run more graphic intensive games?

[ShaDoW]

Your friend on the forum would be perfectly able to take a picture with his iPhone, upload it to the internet (using Flickr for example) and post it on the forum. Because he doesn't know how to do something doesn't mean he's using a bad product.

And the reason not many games are being developed for the Mac is the same reason there aren't many viruses being developed for the Mac. The userbase is smaller, so why target it?

I get that some of you don't like working with a Mac, but I don't see the point of trying to find every flaw in its products. And a lot of these rants seem very far fetched to me, or just pointed out by lack of information. Its interesting for me to clarify these things. In the hope that you all might learn a bit more about the platform.

And yes, a lot of people love their Mac. Is that so wrong though? A lot of you seem to love your PC a lot. Personally I don't really love Apple, even though I use them from time to time. I don't really love my PC either for that matter. Why am I defending them in this thread? Well, in the hopes some of you might learn a bit more about the Mac.

Mayhem, since when are PC's so perfect anyway? You keep mentioning how iBooks get dirty. When I had my iBook, there were several friends who owned one as well. All of their iBooks turned a bit yellower and dirty where the wrists rest. My iBook after 2 year - before I sold it - was still beautifully white. Its called hygiene people, get with it. Even hardly a scratch on it. The same goes with PC laptops. Some seem perfect, while I see others that have huge marks because of people with sweaty palms or because of cheap plastic. Computers break, some live. Some are slower, some are faster. Some are expensive, some are cheap. Some are marketed this way, some are marketed that way.

By the way, the fact you keep mentioning iBooks brings me to another question. iBooks are old, have you tried the newer Apple products? I don't mind a good discussion about these things really, but you should have first hand experience with the products your bashing. Its like reviewing a game without playing it.

[ad_hominem]

Its called hygiene people, get with it.

QFT. Everyone who knows I've got an iPod Touch always say "That touch screen must get so dirty/greasy/shit-encrusted", but since I got it it's only ever gotten like that when I lend it to some of my friends who decide that rubbing Pizza directly onto their fingers is good for the skin. Otherwise it's always crystal clear (and I've never used the cloth that comes with it).

As for Apple in general, I'm indifferent. The Macs have their good points (anything graphic-design related) and their low points (some limitations in gaming), but I've always kept with PC because it was so much easier to upgrade certain parts etc. when needed. Their adverts are well done, and the visual design is brilliant on pretty much everything they've done in the last decade, which is in part why they are so popular. However, beneath the pretty exterior, I have to say that Apple still has a lot of substance.

[YokaI]

Only reason I don't use OSX is due to DirectX being owned and created by microsoft. If that boundry was out of my way, I would probably consider the switch. All big software companies only support windows currently, which kinda sucks.

But my Zune has been messing up in syncing recently, and it's really made me mad that many other people around the united states have had this error but microsoft refuses to update it. GOOOOOOOD it makes me so angry talking about it.

[sawo]

Sometimes apple are more greedy even than microsoft.lets take the ipods for example.
The ipod video/music files cant be used for from other apps/devices because they use drm and other nasty stuff.
There is no way to develop custom apps for the ipods and apple will charge you 5$ for stuff like tetris(!!!)
Thats why i got phone with windows mobile - i develop apps under .net and its very easy to work with the compact framework.
The accesories are VERY VERY expensive.Leather case for ipod video cost around 70$ at apple store.For that amount of money i got fully customized hand-made case from vaja.com that is 10 times more solid, custom colors for different parts of the case, screen protector, it can be attached to belt and they engrave custom image created by you.For example i send them psd of the HL2 logo and they engraved it at the back of the case.And all that for the same amount of money that apple charge you for some crappy leather case that looks almost like the one supplied with the ipod.
I was happy with the ipod, but it suddently died after less than week of use.Here are no apple stores that cover the international warranty so i ordered a new battery for 60$, dissasembled the ipod myself and replaced it...
I know apple wants to make tons of $$$ but they really should allow people to replace parts and other stuff themselves.I build all of my PC systems myself and i want to chose all of the parts myself.
For example my last system is 3ghz quad core cpu, 2gb ram, 900gb storage, 2900 pro video card, x-fi sound card, logitech mx620 mice etc etc and that system is still almost 2 times cheaper than imac with 2ghz dual core, 1gb ram, 250gb storage and 2400 video card....

[MayheM]

I just got off the phone with a friend who has an iPhone, I remembered talking to him some time back about uploading images from his phone. You are able to upload and e mail photos fromthe iPhone, however, you can not upload to every site. As far as he told me the only site he was able to upload to was Flicka... I have notlooked but can you link to an image from Flicka?

Other then that, As for the "iBook" ref, I Identify all Apple products as "i" followed by "insert standard name here" iPod, iPhone, iBook you get the point. I am aware that iBooks are old, but they are still using horibly pourus materials for the keyboard. In fact on of the teachers at the school I work at purchased an Apple Keyboard for the soul purpose of its looks. OOOOO it is so cool looking, well it was not very cool looking when she was eating Doritoes and started typing. The keys are now stained orange and she can not get it clean. That was a 90 dollar keyboard at the Apple Store... 90 dollars, and it is not even wireless. I am sorry but if you are going to skimp on the materials you use, don't overcharge people for being dumb enough to buy a product because of the way it looks. Then again it is her dumb fault as well.

I like to be abel to take my computers apart and upgrade them myself, or fix them myself. I dont want to be forced into taking it to someone else when, if it was made better, I have the knowlege to do it myself. Now this is me, not everyone is like me in that regard. But to make things more complicated then they need to be, putting the RAM under the keyboard because you dont want to take away fromm the looks of the outside by putting an opening for the RAM slots on the bottom where no one will see it anyway...

[DRX]

I think this sort of thread is just begging to bring up arguments and bad points.

Lack of research and such is ridiculous.

The simple truth is that certain computer suit certain people better. That doesn't mean the other side is wrong or misguided. I like my Mac and it works well for me - I like running Vista as well for HL2, and it's perfect. The fact of the matter is I'm willing to pay a premium for my Mac because I know I'm getting quality. I bought a Mac Pro so I can upgrade it if I need to. It's all about looking at your choices - I wanted a Mac because I'm used to OS X and I like it more than Windows. However, if there were no Mac products I could upgrade, I wouldn't have bought a Mac Pro and built a PC.

Fanboyism is stupid. You might not like Apple's stores (I hate them and wouldn't buy a thing through Apple except the computer itself), but the fact of the matter is I haven't run into any problems on this computer like I did on my older ones. That, to me, says a lot. My last PC required constant reboots and reformats, yet my Mac Pro has run flawlessly since I got it and runs my 8800 like a dream in Vista. I know I paid extra, but in my mind, not having to deal with the constant migraines my old PC gave me is worth it.

I don't like being called a doucebag just because I bought a product that I felt was more reliable. There are reasons to be sick of Apple. I hate some of their policies, but hey, I love my machine. If you want to get into the topic of doucebags, as I stated earlier, Macs make up about 7% of the computers used world wide. Then think about all the idiots you meet on forums (not this one, Interlopers is lucky enough not to be filled with retards). Most of them are PC users, and most of them are dicks. The internet is truly a sad place where misinformation and biased opinion rule as concrete fact. Such as this...

The ipod video/music files cant be used for from other apps/devices because they use drm and other nasty stuff.
There is no way to develop custom apps for the ipods and apple will charge you 5$ for stuff like tetris(!!!)
Thats why i got phone with windows mobile - i develop apps under .net and its very easy to work with the compact framework.

Apple releases DRM free music now, if you choose to buy it. That means you can use it on other devices, as long as you have your iTunes set to download the songs as MP3s or if you can convert them (which you can do in iTunes). There are custom apps for iPods. This requires hacking, but it's a simple software process that doesn't void your warranty as long as you reformat your iPod before taking it to Apple.

If you want references to both these things, I would glady supply anyone with the info. I'm not pro-Apple, merely pro-truth. And while I may sound biased, I'm trying not to be, but when I'm called a doucebag for supporting a certain company, it feels like I'm under attack. I'm not trying to say Apple is God and PC is lame, merely that a lot of stuff I've seen in here is either incorrect or somewhat wrong.

Bleh, that was a lot of writing.

[DRX]

To back up the pro-truth thing, here's some more info:

1.

hat was a 90 dollar keyboard at the Apple Store... 90 dollars, and it is not even wireless.

Actual price of the Apple (wired) Keyboard: $49.99 (Still sort of expensive)
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/W ... =MB110LL/A

2.

The accesories are VERY VERY expensive.Leather case for ipod video cost around 70$ at apple store.

Most expensive case is about $80 (search the page for $7 to see it pop-up). Most cases are $25 and leather.
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/W ... ries/cases

3.

Buy and iPhone and install third party software not supported by Apple and void you warrenty. That is the biggest crock of shit ever.

Not at all true, based upon my own experience. I hacked my iPhone the first day I had it. Eventually I had a problem where my iPhone thought my headphones were in the jack and I couldn't make a call with the phone unless it was on speaker because it believed my head phones were inside and would play any sound through these "imaginary" head phones. I reformatted my iPhone and brought it in. It was immediately replaced with a brand new iPhone. This is because there are two different kinds of hacking - software and hardware. If you software hack your iPhone and then restore it, there is no evidence that you did this. The hack is entirely application based, so if you restore your iPod, it's the same as reformatting your PC. Everything is gone. No trace. Only hardware hacks will void the warranty because you're putting a chip or whatever inside your phone that Apple didn't put there. I'm sure if I told Apple that I had hacked my phone and then had this problem, they wouldn't have replaced it. But why would I do that?

So, yes. I did this just to show that a lot of people here are pulling figures out of their asses. I don't care if you talk shit about Apple, they're a big stupid business and I like their computers, but it's not like Steve Jobs is paying me to do this (or is he?). The main thing is, if you're going to say something, at least research it and make sure it's right.

[sawo]

Part of your point is just as wrong as the others.Noone will stop you if you like certain product, but that doesnt make it good just because you or someone else like it.Many of the apple products and services are still way too much overpriced and if you like them thats ok, but they are still overpriced.The same can be said about their policy in general.
Btw your back up isnt very correct
Probably at the time when the teacher purchased that keyboard the price was indeed 90$
About the leather case, its now removed from the apple site (because they know it sucked) but the last year it was the only one available for my ipod video, then i ordered the vaja case and it seems like its still better than any other available on the istore.
I searched the net and looks like they are offering inded non-drm HQ music...

DRM-free tracks from EMI will be offered at higher quality 256 kbps AAC encoding, resulting in audio quality indistinguishable from the original recording, for just $1.29 per song. In addition, iTunes customers will be able to easily upgrade their entire library of all previously purchased EMI content to the higher quality DRM-free versions for just 30 cents a song.

This is genius! First they sold millions of radio-quality songs and now they will charge again everyone who want to "upgrade" their songs... Maybe now is the time to mention that in the past year i used store that provides non-drm flac/wav music for 99c .
About the phone, i dont think hacking will show how good one company is.We were talking about apple's policy - what they have in mind when making products and if you need hacking to get around their rules that just proves our point
No matter what you can hack that doesnt change the fact that they do not support third party software (they want to charge you for every simple app they can make in like 10 minutes) and there is no sdk even for commercial use while for example there is free sdk for windows mobile as well as tons of free apps.

[Mr. Happy]

A bit more expensive? Are you frikin kidding me...
The standard apple keyboard is a basic keyboard, no different from your most basic PC keyboard. It's got no extra buttons. But it costs $50, and that's a bit more expensive? Escuse me, but a basic PC keyboard only costs $12.

I understand what your saying Shadow, yeah, people tend to be fanboyish about their opinions, and it is just a damn electionics company. But..

I may rant on and on about my opinions on things, and I've posted many times in many threads that I hate Apple. I don't really hate the Macintosh, sure, it's a good enough machine, but Apple is bad bad bad:

1. Grossly overprices their products, the highest end Mac is $5,000-$10,000 more than an equivalent PC. Even their god damn keyboard is $35 more.

2. Fight's dirty with their advertising. Ok, sure, it's great advertising. GREAT advertising, and I respect their ad people for that. But it's dirty. Except for the iPhone commericals, ALL of their commercials for the past 20 years has been "PC's suck" but there aren't any "Mac sucks" commercials from PC manufacturers. It's like watching a political race...disgusting.

3. The stereotypical Mac user (and let's not forget that sterotypes exist for a reason), for example, all the GD people at my school, think I'm a fool and act really stuck up about "omg Mac is teh best you suck for using a PC."

4. Steve Job's is a bad person. He's A COMPLETE EGOTISTICAL STUCK UP ASSHOLE (go watch Pirates of Silicon Valley, and also read up on Job's life), but he is made out in the media, and popular culture to be some sort of computing messiah for taking other people's ideas (iPod, iPhone AppleTV, to name a few) and putting them in a shiny box.

5. Apple is treachorous. They talk shit all day about Microsoft, but wouldn't even exist if Microsoft hadn't bailed them out of near-bankruptcey a few years back. That's right, Microsoft owns quite a bit of Apple Stock, and Apple talks shit about them all day. Especially Job's verus Gate's. Now Gate's is a really nice guy, really philanthropic, and really respectfull of Job's..but not the other way around, of course that goes back to point 4.

And yeah, I don't like their operating system, but that's my personal opinion and supposedly everyone is entitled to their opinion, so there's no use arguing about those things.

[MayheM]

Ok the freaking keyboard was and is 50 bucks, who gives a damn, really, My keyboard came with my Dell so it was free, I have had it for two years and it is not even scuffed. What i am saying is, much like Happy is saying, Apple is a bad company and over charges their customers. Emasing said I while back "it is not your money" Well she is right, it is not. But I have to deal with the Mac Lover "F"tards day in and day out. Apple breads ignorance... The stereotypical Mac user does nothing more than spout off at the mouth direct quotes from the marketing campaign and you say the anti apple people in this thread are misinformed or don't do their research...

I admit I started this thread because I had a kid from my school come in and start talking crap about how we should have Macs in the graphics labs. Being he was a student I can't exactly smack him in the head to knock some sense into him, nor can I verbally accost him and set him straight. So i have to take my anger out somehow, so I posted here. The fact however remains that Apple is a bastard of a company run by an elitists prick, the products produced may be pretty and shiny and fancy but they are overpriced for what they are. You are paying for the advertising they put out.

Last thing I want to say.... Apple did not make the MacBook Air... Intel did... Mac is nothing more than a design company who lies to the public and takes credit for someone else's work....

[ShaDoW]

Haha, rather than venting your Mac hate here.

You should find yourself an old broken Mac, and smash it to bits with a bat to release your anger. :)