[IMPORTANT]Interlopers Mapping Tournment

[BaRRaKID]

I while ago i talked about some changes to this section, and it is time to reveal it.
The new feature is a Mapping Tournment, much like quake, or cs tournments. The format will be 1vs1 (one mapper versus another), devided into 3 stages. First a four man group stage, then either a single or double elimination stage, and the finals.
The tournment will require a previous registration, and we are aiming for 16 mappers to start with.
Of course there will be prizes for the winners.
First i want every1 to vote if you'r interested in the tournment or not, then i need you to answer some questions:

1- Would you mind paying a registration fee to help get better prizes? If so what's the maximum amount you would pay?

2- What kind of prizes would you want to get?

3- Should the winner be decided by a selected judge, or be voted by the community?

4- Should the regular map battles keep going at the same time as the tournment?

5- How much time should be given for each match?

6- What kind of challenges/themes you think are better for the matches?

[naked jesus]

i dont have a card so i couldnt pay for registration fee, and also i dont think people would like the idea of an enterance fee, and i admit that you need the money for the prize. This may sound unlikely, but maybe you could do a promotion deal thingy with one of these game selling websites (play.co.uk and other things) and get the prizes from them and offer them some advertisement, but im not sure how that works...

3- who would be a judge? and on the other hand, people could rig the vote if theyre that desperate to get their hands on the prize but we expect them not to...
4- i think the map battles should go on for the people not willing to join the tournament and for the fact that theyre just fun to watch progress.
5-group stages should be done in a few days, i dont know...maybe weeks and it progresses into longer and longer times

[TomWolf]

Perhaps those that have won a battle should have one free pass to a tournament. Would spice the map battles up a bit.

Then I think that you should have a single elimination from start to end. No need to drag this out a year 'cause then some ppl will drop out half way through due to real life issues. Might happen any way but why make the risc bigger?

That is 4 matches in a tournament and that could take up to 2 months.

First match: Two Rooms
1 week
Fitting for a first map in a tournament. Rules are simply to make two rooms and perhaps a hallway. Sounds pretty simple? In a competition, I think not!

Second match: Beauty and the beast
2 weeks (and what is left over when you are done with the first one)
Bring together something beautiful and something ugly in a map. Could be a garden with a broken oiltank. You get the point. This tests the mappers skill in drama and atmosphere as well as creativity.

Third match: Pushing the limits
2 weeks (and what is left...yadayada)
Simply put you want the audience to go "can that be done in the source engine?" Make it big, realistic, inventive, techincal, scary...anything that ordinary players don't expect you to be able to make in hammer.

Fourth match: Let's play
3 weeks (...)
Make a playable map. Setting to be announced about when the third match starts so you can't just take a map you've already made. The winner is the one people enjoy most to play on. This needs several servers to put both maps up and have players vote on what map is most fun.

In all these you could opt to have a special requirement announced at last moment that hinders anyone to start in advance.

About price and prize. For those that havn't won a battle you could charge a small entrance fee, like $5-£15. I would preffere the $5 since I don't think it is needed to get a prize. Easier to get a company to sponsor with a graphcard, mouse, headphones etc. etc. Talking to those companies ain't that hard and they are often interested in sponsoring in exchange for some advertising, newsposts and mentioning during the competition. Also they often loves the oppertunity to be connected to a winning entrance. Let's say you manage to get a really beautiful map done during the competition, something out of the ordinary, and a graphcard company gets the ability to say "look how good it looks in our new graphcard"...that's often enough since a graphcard doesn't cost them that much to give away.

Regular map battles should definatly go on if you give the winners a pass into the next tournament. That hinders those that are already in the tournament from winning this free pass as well

And about deciding on the winner, I think that a combination of jury and public is a good way to go.

5 jurors have one point each and the public have 2 points. That is, if it's 3-2 by the jurors the public decides. It's important that the jurors aren't deciding together.

I think this covers all you asked for?

Tomas

[zombie@computer]

for such a small competition i doubt anyone would sponsor prises, and i agree an entrance fee is probably more deterring than the price is attracting.

Offcourse you can always have blink sponsor something, im talking about webspace, custom forum titles etc. Just a thought. If hes willing offcourse

[Knights]

So i'll pay for my own prize and work my butt off on the map? I don't think so.

[KILLA-COW]

I think you should just have no prize, just like winning would be good enough.

[UberSpeed]

Or have a nice cheap prize, like an old CD case or something.

[Ripper_hugme]

I'm with killa -i'm borked for money (lived of microwave meals for 2 1/2 months to buy my GFX card.)

[BaRRaKID]

I only asked if any1 would be willing to pay to get better prizes, but no matter what there will be prizes for the winners.

[Alminie]

I only asked if any1 would be willing to pay to get better prizes, but no matter what there will be prizes for the winners.

I feel a cool prize would be
1: a Ad for the Mod your with. on the http://www.interlopers.net homepage
2: a custom Rank on the interlopers forums till the next challenge if any.
like "#1 mapper"




P.S. count me in, for the challenge.

[ghost|con]

How about talking to valve about it, or do you want to be a small interlopers community thing, itll attract more pplz on the forums

[Shr3d]

I'm with killa -i'm borked for money (lived of microwave meals for 2 1/2 months to buy my GFX card.)

That sucks.

What's your job / pay?

[BaRRaKID]

I would like you to answer the other questions since they are more important then the prize for now

[Prvt_Peanut]

1)i wouldn't mind paying an entry-fee, bigger prizes are more fun, i'd probably pay about £5.
2)Not sure exactly about what prize, its good if its something relevant i suppose.
3)Community
4)yes
5)not sure

[Jest@]

1- Would you mind paying a registration fee to help get better prizes? If so what's the maximum amount you would pay?

2- What kind of prizes would you want to get?

3- Should the winner be decided by a selected judge, or be voted by the community?

4- Should the regular map battles keep going at the same time as the tournment?

5- How much time should be given for each match?

6- What kind of challenges/themes you think are better for the matches?

1) Would rather not. If it's only entrants paying the fees...would kinda be like paying money just to work your ass off with a high chance of losing. A samll amount might be ok, but then the prizes would suck anyway. Tricky. I'm uber-poor at the mo too, i wouldn't be able to manage more than £5, tops.

2)whatever, really, whatever you can get! I think custom forum rank is a must, and maybe some front-page deliciousness.

3)hmmm..community, then a weighted vote from a judge/panel of judges? say, three judges discuss it, pick their winner and then their vote is equal to 1/4 of the community members who voted...so, say when voting closes 40 people have voted, the judges vote (decided early on in voting) counts for 10, added on at the end...something like that?

4)Hell yeah. Since they're public and will ahve more ppl involved..harsh to just stop battles fo those who wanna enter, so they can just sit and watch 16 other guys battling. What if someone wants to enter one, but doubts they'll have the time to see the whole tournament out? definitely keep the regular battles going.

related point: Maybe the timing of each stage in the tournament should be decided by the two mappers in question - like, they discuss and pick a time convenient for both of them. Avoids someone suffering due to real life issues. Naturally neither are told the battle subject material until their date comes around.

5)2 or 3 weeks i guess..

6)Similar to current map battle ones. Some of Tom's ideas are good too, and I especially like the idea that the final match in the tournament should be making a playable map, with an extended time limit. A grand finale, with two maps that the community can get to savour afterwards. By that stage, the two mappers left should hopefully be good enough to make maps that play ok and look sweet. There should be a player-number cap (4v4), and maybe some FPS rule - like, if a judges machine cant get an average framerate of above 20 over 5 mins of play...something like that?

edit: just thought of a problem with playable-map idea: what game would it be for? some mappers have never touched cs:s, and since gameplay would be a factor, they would be at a disadvantage to those who know how a team-based map works as opposed to, say, SP or deathmatch-style.