$200 - Map/Job Request

[Switz]

$200 Map Request Tryout

The tryout ends on October 8th at 1800EST (6PM). All entries must be made by then (do not be afraid to send incomplete entries).
To make your entry, you can either reply here, send me a PM, or show me via steam (my steam contact is at the bottom). If posting your entry, please state your steam ID or URL along with some screenshots and a BSP of your tryout map. Again, if you dont want to provide these for public view please PM me the parts you do not want the public to see.

The mapper I choose will be hired for this job and a total of $200 will be paid from three installments (dates are explained on the map request link). The mapper who I feel is the runner up will receive a $50 steam game purchase on Oct. 8th. And the mapper who would be my 3rd pick will receive a $20 game on Oct. 8th. For everyone else I am very sorry. Believe me, I know how much work it takes to work on maps and I hate it that for a few of you this may indeed be a waste of time. No hard feelings please. Who knows, you may have a style that I think can work for something else I may plan up in the future.

Also, after the tryout ends I will put together a sort of community vote to allow the community to vote for fun on who they would had chose if they where in my shoes. Im sorry but I cannot offer a prize for winning this because that may lead to vote tampering. Please state in your entry if you would like your entry to be voted on in the community vote for fun.

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And here it is, the actual map request

Game: Day of Defeat Source (you can do the tryout map in any game you wish, if you are picked I will buy DODS for you)
Map Name: MCRD Parris Island (Marine Corps Recruit Depot)
Map Location: Beufort, South Carolina USA
Type of Map: Realistic training base
Maps Time Frame: 1940-1945 style/look (if your unsure if something looks too newish...go older looking)
Weather: See vast amt of images in request. Sunny and cloudless
Skybox: Marsh or Forest
Terrain: Flat!!! (but for optimizing purposes you can do what you need to help you)
Vegetation: Sand/Grass blend, Shrubs, Oaks, Moss, Palm Trees (not growing wild though)


Go To the Request page:
http://3rdMarines.org/Parris_Island_Request/Parris_Island_Request.html

The first thing you will probably do is start scrolling through it...and scrolling...and scrolling....and then say to yourself "HolyS**T! F This". Trust me, just start reading through some of it and youll see that its actually MUCH less than what the request makes it look like. Each area is completely described and contains images and videos. I over explain things. Its what I do. But for $200 and this "Tryout" you'll guess that I really want this map to be perfect. It is special to me because I used to be a Marine. My clan is technically a "Realism Unit" but as realistic as we can get in terms of what we teach our guys, how we run our recruit training (reason why this map needs to have everything perfect) and even how we talk in game. We are naturally a very tiny clan. But the guys in it are indeed respected by me for their eagerness and will to learn about my beloved corps. It is my way of helping spread awareness for the USMC.

The request page covers everything I am looking for and outlines the Tryout Map portion. Be sure to check the very bottom of the page for helpful downloads such as pre-made decals and files if youd rather not make them yourself. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me through steam or here. If you want to add update images to your map for me to give my opinion on go for it. If you want to take a risk and lean a little away from the request to create something you think could work go for it. I know this request sounds like Im VERY picky but Im not. Im in full favor of seeing you be creative and make Parris Island how you would think it would look like in 1940-1945. As long as you add the key features I listed int he table of contents you can go from there completely.



***Good luck to everyone who tries. And thank you so much for even trying in the first place. I know the money is fueling your efforts but I hope that if you happen to get picked that you enjoy making this map (youll probably love the Crucible portion) and the payments become just an added bonus.***


My Steam:
newaydover
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197983976576

[Switz]

Be sure to check back on October 1st for the tryout map information along with the actual map request!

[Dr. Delta]

C. Source SDK.
Your Subscription(s) may contain access to the Valve software development kit (the "SDK") for the computer game engine used in Half-Life 2 and other compatible Valve products (the "Source Engine"). You may use, reproduce and modify the SDK on a non-commercial basis solely to develop a modified game (a "Mod") for Half-Life 2 or other Valve products compatible with and using the Source Engine. You may reproduce and distribute the Mod in object code form, solely to licensed end users of Half-Life 2 or other compatible Valve products, provided that the
Mod is made publicly available and distributed without charge on a non-commercial basis


If you would like to use the Source SDK or a Mod for a commercial purpose or activity, please contact Valve at sourceengine@valvesoftware.com.

Just saying.

[Jangalomph]

Are you saying he can't pay people for making a map? And.. honestly I don't see a point in paying for a map. but, Goodluck getting a mapper!

[Zecrah]

That only applies to producing commercial mods. Doesn't mention maps specifically, and this map doesn't necessarily have to be used for a mod. Otherwise, map competitions would be a violation of the SDK terms too.

[Dr. Delta]

That only applies to producing commercial mods. Doesn't mention maps specifically, and this map doesn't necessarily have to be used for a mod. Otherwise, map competitions would be a violation of the SDK terms too.

No.

You may use, reproduce and modify the SDK on a non-commercial basis

It doesn't matter if map competitions do it too, the Steam Subscriber Agreement states what it states, and if it means you aren't allowed to do stuff on a commercial basis, for example making a map because someone pays you for it, you aren't allowed. And in order to use hammer and make maps/mods on the Source Engine, you're forced to agree/sign that agreement.

If the EULA is legal in the EU, and if Valve is going to do something about people breaking the EULA, that, however, is a completely different story.

If you would like to use the Source SDK or a Mod for a commercial purpose or activity, please contact Valve at sourceengine@valvesoftware.com.

[Gary]

Then make it in MicroBrush, place entities with a text editor and create a new version of VBSP/VVIS/VRAD.

[source-maps]

oh snap

[Major Banter]

It's not commercial, it's commission. It's a total grey area. You're paying for the labour involved, as opposed to the engine and resources within. Making people pay for access to a map or mod is selling it, paying to MAKE it...I don't know.

[MayheM]

Valve has no control over what someone is willing to give a mapper if one chooses to offer money for services rendered. In this case those services being the creation of a map. As long as the mapper has a licences version of the game and the materials there within, there is nothing illegal about the creation of that map. The 200 dollars could just as easily be a "donation" and not attached to the creation of the map at all. In fact, there in lies the solution to the problem if one even arises. Reword this to say... I would gladly donate $200 to your well being if you create for me a map.

[Dr. Delta]

It's not commercial, it's commission. It's a total grey area. You're paying for the labour involved, as opposed to the engine and resources within. Making people pay for access to a map or mod is selling it, paying to MAKE it...I don't know.

You're always paying for the labor involved, either direct or indirect, I'd say. Unless someone is doing it for free, obviously.

You could say that the goal itself (the map isn't being made to be sold at players) isn't commercial, (maybe to play on the servers of that clan/community you have to be a monthly paying member though, don't know obviously) the act of paying someone to make/do something for you, is, as far as I know, commercial however.

[Dr. Delta]

In fact, there in lies the solution to the problem if one even arises. Reword this to say... I would gladly donate $200 to your well being if you create for me a map.

Yep, you're right on the money with that. Obviously anyone is allowed to donate money to someone for his/her work, but, if that would be the case, you shouldn't (legally), be recruiting someone here and on mapcore and publicly tell everyone you're paying someone to work for you.

It's a grey area, and Valve is a cool company, I doubt they would do something about it. 'Attacking' the community is counter-productive for them.
(first establishing the community and then breaking it down with lawsuits, which they don't)

[source-maps]

(first establishing the community and then breaking it down with lawsuits, which they don't)

if only they would support the community, which they don't..
that is also counterproductive, but I'm going off topic now

[Switz]

Are you saying he can't pay people for making a map? And.. honestly I don't see a point in paying for a map. but, Goodluck getting a mapper!

Personally I do think of the $200 as a donation of thanks for the mappers work. Maps take an incredible amt of energy and work to produce and it wouldnt be right to not "thank" the person responsible for making it. And $200 for a map is a lot of money, but at the same time, can any mapper here honestly say that $200 vs the hours/days/weeks it would take to make this map not a fair deal? Especially with the detail and encouraged out of hammer work to research for authenticity? I dont know, I guess Im a little different because Im probably the only person on these forums who doesnt enjoy creating maps that much and to get the kind of look I want for this map/job even if I had the skills in Hammer, what I do not have is the time to create this in 1.5 months. Thus I am again stuck at finding a mapper for this job. And personally, I couldnt just accept free work for something I know for a fact will take a lot of your personal time to make for me. I wouldnt feel right with that. Btw, Im from upstate SC. Tried to do the Sumter tour last week on vacation in Charleston. Unfortunately we just didnt have enough time because I know the tour lasts around 4 hours.

Steam Subscriber Agreement

I think the EULA in question is more in line with mods. Because if all the rich people started hiring up all the professionals out there to create mods, whats the point of buying new valve games if mods are consistently better? That would be construed as commercial work. And seeing this map is for DODS and it is a independent/private work, it would actually benefit them instead of me who is out $200 but with a new map in hand. But that is still good to know and thanks for posting it because I did plan on having another map request in the future for a WW1 map in a WW1 mod I used to play that may be coming back. If I where out paying money for maps in that game and thus making the game better with the additions then I could then see a breach in agreement because it is a non-retail/steam game that would benefit. And naturally, if I in some way would see a financial return on this investment like charging people to play the map then it would definitely be a breach. But Im just a normal clan owner with a normal server.

Im not to sure about the legality of it still because it never said anything about maps or for work in games that are already valve released like DODS. Of course Im partially biased when reading it, but I really took mods as being their main point. But then again it is Valve. And they are greedy like any company. I currently have like others around 4 or 5 games I purchased through steam that wouldnt install/play with no refund because they do not "support" them, just sell them.

[Gary]

I doubt Valve cares and like you said; your doing this for a current Valve title, so they loose nothing.
Good luck looking for people.

So, to spruce things up a tad, I will be willing to purchase a $50 game via steam to the second place mapper and a $20 game for the 3rd place mapper.

Hmm... Interesting...


Nah... that wouldn't be right. Plus, I don't have DODS.