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"tower defense" style final battle on the zeppelin. i think the main reason is because i didnt upgrade my vigors very well so i dont have much to slow the bag guys down. between the enemy zeppelins and the constant resupply of motorized patriots, i havent been able to crack it yet. i'm on hard mode.

joe_rogers_11155 wrote:im currently stuck at the

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"tower defense" style final battle on the zeppelin. i think the main reason is because i didnt upgrade my vigors very well so i dont have much to slow the bag guys down. between the enemy zeppelins and the constant resupply of motorized patriots, i havent been able to crack it yet. i'm on hard mode.

really itching to finish this game so i know the ending, but that part is really slowing me down.

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Using the secondary placing of return to sender all over the generator while spreading them out evenly over the whole thing will create a safe shield. While they are active and cover the whole thing properly it will not take damage. Each individual return to sender node actually covers a good deal around where it is placed for what it can absorb. Only thing is about half way towards the latter end of the fight they start to disappear one the front side from getting shot so much. So posses one of the remaining Patriots and then concentrate your fire on the other beside it, cause I always forgot to posses those buggers to safe time.

WhiteDevil wrote:I played on hard and I didn't think handyman was too hard. The combat mechanic was just broken to actually play against him. It would have been easy to dance around him with the sky rails, open turret tears the same time and shoot him. But guess what, the game never hooks you on the rails when you wanted and you'd just get your ass slapped while stupidly jumping stationary and looking up. Some times it worked, most of the time it didn't.
So because of that the combat against them just went to a respawn spree until hes dead because you had no other choice.

Armageddon wrote:The fire guy was a guy in a suit that had flame throwers. There was the Murder of Crows guy but you only fought him four or five times compared to the four hundred faceless soldier-cop looking enemies. There was no Shock Jockey guy as far as I remember. And it felt like just one specialization that the enemy could do. I still don't understand how or why the Crows guy could teleport. I was hoping enemies would be more like Booker and use three or four Vigors.

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I think Story was talking about Slate in the Hall of Heroes.

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i want to give my 2-cents about the ending.

1. so we see a baptism in the morning hours where some people are present. that is the baptism that booker refuses.
2. then we see a baptism in the afternoon hours where he is alone with the pastor. that is the baptism where booker is drowned.

can we theorize that booker attended two baptisms on the same day? in timelines where booker accepted baptism, he refused the one in the morning and then went back later in the day to get his baptism alone with the pastor. in timelines where booker refused baptism, he simply refused the morning session and never returned.

booker and elizabeth only arrive at the afternoon baptism when booker is determined to "smother comstock in his crib". (evidence: booker turns around to face elizabeth, confused, saying, "what is this? why are we back here?" elizabeth then says, "this isn't the same place, booker." i think she is implying that it isn't the same place in time, even though it's the same lake.) so we can theorize that this afternoon baptism is the only time and place in any given timeline where booker will accept baptism. and that is why elizabeth brings them to that time and place.

furthermore, i think that the acts done by elizabeth in this "space between realities" (such as the drowning) are representative of the acts done by all elizabeths in all timelines where booker accepts baptism. i believe that she has that power given back to her by the siphon's destruction: the power to alter the past.

this hypothetically explains away the potential paradox where the act of elizabeth killing booker would prevent her from ever existing to kill booker. all of the timelines in which elizabeth kills booker cease to exist. All of the timelines where booker walked away from the lake and never returned ... continue to exist. booker goes home, retires from the army, lives his life, fathers anna, and life continues on ... without interference from any comstocks, since all of those timelines (with comstock, columbia, elizabeth) no longer exist.

the only thing i have a problem with is the post-credit scene. it punches a hole through most of the theories out there. the post-credit scene appears to display a version of booker that might be recalling that his daughter is missing. of course, he goes to check on her and the game cuts to black. i dont even care about whether or not the girls is present. i take issue with the concept that a version of booker exists that might remember the events of bioshock infinite. hypothetically, all of those timelines were irreversibly erased. well, whatever...just a stupid game right? i sure cant wait to play COD Ghosts!!

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Well I just went and looked at the shadows on the water, and maybe I'm wrong about an afternoon session because the shadows are pointed in the same direction for both sessions. But I notice a definite change of color between the two baptisms. And of course, there is a lack of people surrounding the pastor in the second session. I still think there were two sessions, and booker decided to go back and get the baptism. Maybe they were on different days or something. Why would the people not be present in the second session?

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I think they are just different universes. There is a multitude of universes in which booker rejects or accepts baptism. The particular one in which we saw booker get drowned had no people. Other ones would have had people, other ones would have had lizards and monkeys. Other ones would have had people made of gelatin who eat music and make their houses out of solidified light. We just saw the one at the end. Elizabeth had to drown a lot of Bookers. I guess that since we see her disappear at the end that means that we saw the last universe in which she killed Booker.

But again, it's a paradoxical timeline so it ceased to exist before it began to exist.

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I really think the ending is pointless and rather dumb.

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I find it funny that this entire thread is in spoilers. If someone hasn't finished the game and they are reading this thread, do they not deserve to have the ending spoilt?

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I think they are just different universes. There is a multitude of universes in which booker rejects or accepts baptism. The particular one in which we saw booker get drowned had no people. Other ones would have had people, other ones would have had lizards and monkeys. Other ones would have had people made of gelatin who eat music and make their houses out of solidified light. We just saw the one at the end. Elizabeth had to drown a lot of Bookers. I guess that since we see her disappear at the end that means that we saw the last universe in which she killed Booker.

But again, it's a paradoxical timeline so it ceased to exist before it began to exist.

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While there are infinite possibilities I don't think there are always infinite drownings. If this were so Elizabeth could never have stopped multiple Comstocks from one drowning. I think it spans out to massive amounts of different universes from a single point. A kinda tree graph if you can think of that. Because other Bookers and other Elizabeths would not have all made the same decision upon drowning since they would be different renditions of themselves. So I think there were two different paths in two different times but I think they spawn/create infinite paths from those choices. If that makes enough sense. That is where we get Robert Lutece making the remark, "how far back would one need to go?" Something relative to that anyway, so I think it does have a semi-linear pattern.

Also, Tears are Tears and I think Booker whether he thinks (in the end) it was all some sort of dream or, has some notion of something amiss. Some things manage to exist outside of time and a set pattern it would seem. Note when Booker sees the vision of New York burning? No one can tell you how he saw that early on in the game, because this stuff isn't all set in stone. I guess I am making the point is there are still many possibilities because of the way in which the time/space mechanics can variate within Infinite. DLC has a good chance to be very revealing, so I have faith in seeing some more interesting tidbits of story. They say it wont relate to having played the ending so I am curious.

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Finally! An opportune moment to fuck with people.




















Derp.