Radeon xfx 5770 HD. Dx 11 support?

[MrTwoVideoCards]

On the tessellation thing: it's essentially parallax occlusion mapping but all fancy sounding and it's a huge performance hit.

No, it's not. Parallax occlusion mapping uses clever shading to create an illusion of depth. Tesselation uses a map to add polygons (not for shading). For example, tesselation improves detail near the edges of stuff. Parallax occlusion mapping looks like sh!t near edges. Also, it would be a huge performance hit if it was done in software, but we have new GPUs that do most of the work in hardware resulting in a small performance hit.

Yes, I know it's not the same thing, but it accomplishes much of the same results.
POM


Tesselation


Also, it is not a minor performance hit. It is a HUGE one which nearly halves performance. Yeah, it's a little prettier than POM, but it does essentially the same thing at a massive performance detriment. I would have to ask, with performance like that if having mildly nicer edges is worth destroying your framerate.

~Jason

Uh no, your dumb. Tess does not halve frame rates. Dirt2 uses a terrible implementation of Tess, which is where you should do your homework. Plus why the Fuck would you read pcgameshardware. They're all retarded. You hear that pcgameshardware, you're FUCKING RETARDED.

Also tess is a HUGE, HUGE advantage over Lax mapping. Because it modifies the mesh, the collisions change in the geometry. Meaning objects will collide with all those little bumps and cracks. Tess can also make Nvidia's shitty Physx possible, making it a huge physx killer. Though I don't think anyone see's that yet.

Lastly with Dx11, you can nearly run any C++ instruction onto the GPU. With an engine like source, nearly all the physics could be offloaded to the GPU, leaving fuck loads of space for anything else.

It's also very clear in that article that the 5870, when moved to DX11, looses only 25 frames. However the 5970 loose totally half of it's frames. Dirt2 also has some shitty scaling, and partly AMD needs to work on their drivers and stop sucking so much dick.

[Chopium]

Someone's feeling rather feisty today.....

[MrTwoVideoCards]

Someone's feeling rather feisty today.....

AYE, PREPARE THE CANONS!

[poisonic]

the fps problem is os related..... i think a linux based system could get at least 1,5x more performance instead of a crappy windows.... ofcourse some of you wil say poisonic you are insane.... but windows has become a huge shit hole........ direct X 11 will not be on windows camp only..... so every os is gonna get a chance.......

[poisonic]

and the best video card you cant even buy....... or you should have a spare $4000..... to my opinion Nvidia And Ati are at their last trainstation..... its not multi GPU that will rock the world.... or 2 cards baked in 1 .......

The next gen of cool video hardware will be at least 16 mini cores in 1 GPU ...... with that games could be raytraced instead of being pre rendered(this generation of ati and nvidia will never be able to run a game raytraced)..... ofcourse the 16 minicores have their own memory...... Read abouth LARABEE...... the video industry is getting pretty hot of larrabee....

And why are people still talking good about that windows is so great (this is realy bullshit) windows keeps your pc LOW in performance...... since their 95 version they keep pc's in a COMATIC state.... to my opinion a comand from cpu to gpu is better than having a laggy DX10 between it......

to get the maxium out of a pc system you should get rid of window's first......
and start playing with machine code instead of C++ wich is still not direct enough(it lags performance every c comand needs to be translated in to machine code.....)

And a true programmer would piss on DirectX wich is more like DirectLag....
PC's can be much faster and better in performance if you all get rid of laggy windows....
But because of the dumb asses that dont know any thing abouth computers and always like windows first because of the easy usage and nice colors.... what car would you buy ???? the most pimped version that drives like a brick ,or the most ugly of all but with the best driving performance i would choose tha last....

[xoqolatl]

In case you didn't follow the industry for the past year or two, Larrabee as a consumer gaming GPU is dead. Right now it's only a test vehicle for HTPC applications. In the whole history of the project it never ran rasterized graphics. And I managed to say that using only four dots.

[poisonic]

Larrabee is not dead at all its tested in a place wich you cant folow at all.... if larabee was realy a dead project... you would not find so much data..... larabee is still alive.... have you ever wondered why Intel did give a sum of 1,5 miljard dollars to AMD??? so that they can use their technology with out any law suits... so by paying 1 gpu manufactor out intel made a nice 3rd place to begin with......
Mark my words larrabee will be also found in consumers pc's and consoles too.....
ever wondered why sony did recieve a big bag of money from intel??
the next gen PS4 will not have nvidia and no ati.... some specs.... ibm powerpc-cpu+larabee
Rumours go around that the xbox720 wil house a ATI cpu.... since they trowed their deal with nvidia away....

And nvidia is not only focusing on gaming like ATI does.....
Nvidia has serval PRO GPU's only designed for Autocad&movie sfx industry....

And no if you have folowed larrabee and have seen what the creator of doom with it you realy eat your own shorts....
they made a version of far cry wich is Raytraced instead of pre rendered. no other gfx card can achieve that goal...
and a larrabee can have up as much minicores if you want.... so more gpu power... by example 16 32 64 128 256...

trust me larrabee is not dead... in 2010 you will read new fresh stuff abouth larrabee...
and the reason why not every gamer could buy one is maybe the price....

[ad_hominem]

Seriously, full stops are still in fashion. Not everything ends in ellipses (which, by the way are only 3 periods: "...").

[xoqolatl]

Poisonic, it's clear that you don't have any idea about current state of GPU market, and about Larrabee. It just so happens that of us two I am the one who has seen Larrabee live on IDF2009. It was running a ray-traced version of ETQW. Intel has demoed Larrabee on various occasions, but it was always running GPGPU computation or ray tracing - never rasterized graphics. Current implementation of LRB architecture turned out to be a monster number cruncher, but problems with software rasterization were too big. I really recommend you to read a bit about Larrabee architecture (architecture, not some not backed up claims of visual bells and whistles).

Sorry if this sounded arrogant. I really wish to be polite, but I cannot let such misinformation stand.

[poisonic]

And abouth dx i dont trust that program at all... first of al its from M$ and since the ATI gpu will be put in a XBOX720... you can imagine why a ati would perform better in a windows machine.... i would be confinced and eat my own shorts if people would test gfx cards in linux instead and ati would win....
i dont trust that 3dmark tool that is loved to test with..... some people forgot that 3dmark got some bags of money for their test program...if some gfx cards would have a better score...

to my opinion you cant just test a gfx card performance in a windows machine..... because of lots of unwanted lag....
the fastest way is talking to a gfx card directly in machine code.... instead of using a DX.... but since its normal in pc land to stay stuck on the XT line... to be pc compatible .... there never will be greater performance id they still keep using the old pc base....
Even SLI is old technology.... and crossfire too.... its based on good old dx486 heritage. wich also had 2 vid cards on board(3dfx age).....

The pc industry will get stuck if they dont redesign the pc from the botom line up....
just like the hard disk is still a bottle neck... nowdays we are almost at the limit... we cant go any smaller because the limit is reached.... ever wondered why multicore is hot and getting a faster cpu clock is not...... its all based on that cpu's and gpu's cant get an smaller.... ever wondered why the next gen takes less watt then the precivious? because of magnetic interferance.... by keeping voltages low (from 5v to 3v)they solve this problem wich also results in lower core speeds..... thats why multicore is so hot..
and there hasnt be any huge performance boost...... wel the only noticable thing... your pc hangs much faster and no blue screens in XP haha you can always turn them on lol....

for now im still thinking wich new specs my new rig will use..... with the all new DX11 i'll move to LINUX.... wich is much more faster but it misses some M$ bling.....

And no i have not been under a stone for the last 2 years.... i folow the pc since it had only monocrome screens.... the dos age.... it was realy hot.. to have games with 16 colors.... then the huge changes came... from 16 to 256 colours... than a big jump to 1024 than another big one 4096...... after that the amount of colours above 1,5 milion i could not see so much diverence..... the only things that change are the numbers..... and some people love BIG numbers..... like the gfx cards..... by example what would be faster... 512mb ddr5 or 1024mb ddr3.... if you have chosen the last you have been tricked by the pc marketing trick.... and trust me even the solid state disk is not your awnser to get a fast storage... this is... plus some lasers... solid state hard disks can only be written for a limited amount of time after that it becomes a box full of read and write errors.....


but we will see in five years again.... or before 20-12-2012

[poisonic]

Sorry if this sounded arrogant. I really wish to be polite, but I cannot let such misinformation stand.

No offence at all... i just like to piss on windows that keeps every machine in a comatic state...... and windows is the botle neck in PC performance.... and im sorry that i confused far cry with etqw....

but still im curious when the first BIG change hapens to my opinion their stuck at the limitations from nature...
for years now they are talking abouth the next gen PC... atom based,light computers... since there are more than 2 values in the spectrum of light... you can send more information at faster speeds (speed of light) plus more than just 1 direction.... there are so much new improvementd
but whats holding this new technology back is that some one wants to keep a PC standard wich is the bottle neck it self.... why the hell do they want a backwards compatible with 486 heritage nowdays X586 ?? like if you have a ps3 you still play ps2 games on it....... that was sony's bottle neck on their 1st gen PS3..... so sony trowed away 200 dollars per sold ps3 console....
just like we already could be in the 512bit era..... some people want to stay save in the 64bit zone...

[xoqolatl]

ever wondered why multicore is hot and getting a faster cpu clock is not...... its all based on that cpu's and gpu's cant get an smaller.... ever wondered why the next gen takes less watt then the precivious? because of magnetic interferance.... by keeping voltages low (from 5v to 3v)they solve this problem wich also results in lower core speeds..... thats why multicore is so hot..

This is BS. Magnetic interference has nothing to do with power consumption. 5 volts and 3 volts are nowhere near supply voltage of current CPUs or GPUs.

At first I wanted to point out and correct every single error in that post, but it would take too long. Instead i'm just warning everyone: don't listen to this. The man either has no clue about PCs at all, or has a weird kind of eye blinds.

[poisonic]

some more info on diamond technology:

previous termDiamondnext term-like carbon films form a critical protective layer on magnetic hard disks and their reading heads. The ultimate limit to storage density is the super-paramagnetic limit, where the thermal energy is able to overcome the coercive energy of the magnetic bit. Perpendicular recording should allow storage densities up to not, vert, similar1 Tbit/inch2. This requires the read head to approach closer to the magnetic layer and ever-thinner layers of carbon 1–2 nm thick. A critical review of the properties of the main classes of carbon films used for magnetic storage disks is presented. Tetrahedral amorphous carbon can provide the atomic smoothness, continuity and density required for magnetic storage applications down to a few atomic layers thickness. The main approaches to assess the structural and morphological properties of ultra-thin carbon layers are reviewed. Raman spectroscopy, X-ray reflectivity, atomic force microscopy and surface acoustic waves based methods allow a full non-destructive characterization of ultra-thin carbon layers.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TVV-4BNVY5S-7&_user=10&_coverDate=03%2F01%2F2004&_alid=1126087303&_rdoc=5&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_cdi=5544&_docanchor=&view=c&_ct=91&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=78325caae39282ac9ed8d3c6448c199b
i got the information from here... and they are bussy with it since at least 1991....

not to be confused with maxtor diamond.....

[poisonic]

im crazy i had electric engineer education.... i played with electronics already at the age of 6 so in the year 1983 i already played with electronics....
and abouth laws of fisics and nature Magnetic interference is the bottleneck and reason why building things small gets harder and harder.... and why voltages go lower and lower and the amps rise...... if you where true abouth this my friend multicore's where not needed.... and gpus and cpus got smaller in one single faster core..... but thanks to nature's Magnetic interference they cant go any smaller and faster........ unless they solve this problem first... even nanotechnology is stuck on the Magnetic interference problem...... the one who predicted the nano age was wrong(a science program from NOVA explained this verry clear and they sure have more thinking power then you ).... there is a border on how small you can get without any problem of Magnetic interference....
by keeping voltages low there is less change of the so called "Magnetic interference"..... if Magnetic interference would not exist your brain could have run on 5 volts..... ever wondered why a human body uses a power source less than 100mv? The average power consumption of a typical adult is 100 Watts and the brain consumes 20% of this making the power of the brain 20 W.
the brain is nature's most powerfull cpu/gpu........ no computer is at that level yet.... and will take another 1000 years if they want to catch up....

Some times you have to look at mother nature and how she solved the problems.... when the brain was invented nature had to solve this problem first...

and why did they lower the voltages then in the CPU/GPU 1 reason was "Heat that was created on a higher voltage" the 2nd reason "Magnetic interference" the last caused to be cpu's un stable.... and unreliable....

[nub]

the brain is nature's most powerfull cpu/gpu........ no computer is at that level yet.... and will take another 1000 years if they want to catch up....

I await the day when they make a biocomputer using a human brain.


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