The Pirate Bay Sinks

[mabufo]

If you can't afford the album, listen to the radio. I don't care if the band isn't your favourite. That doesn't make it OK. I don't care that you think the bands that you aren't really a fan of make lots of money; I don't care that you live in a country where this bullshit can slip by; that doesn't mean it's ok.

No one is telling you to buy an album for one song - if that's the problem, maybe you need to rethink your tastes in music. Here's another thought: instead of crying me a river about how you can't afford to buy full albums for a single song - howsabout getting a subscription to itunes, or a similar service?

There are plenty alternatives to your desructive habit, maybe you shouldn't spend all your money on beer and blow up dolls.

The point is that you are blatantly hurting the music industry. Not just the band is at stake here. The people affiliated with the bands are as well. The publisher and their employees, record label people, recording people, the road crew, anybody affiliated with the band is hurting because you and your friends don't feel like shelling out a bit of money to buy an album... So you go on the internet and get it for free - illegally. Good for you, I hope you feel better for yourself.

Thanks to fuck ups like yourself, my hope of opening a record store of my own someday is creeping further and further away from me. Ass Hole.

[zombie@computer]

If you can't afford the album, listen to the radio. I don't care if the band isn't your favourite. That doesn't make it OK. I don't care that you think the bands that you aren't really a fan of make lots of money; I don't care that you live in a country where this bullshit can slip by; that doesn't mean it's ok.

No one is telling you to buy an album for one song - if that's the problem, maybe you need to rethink your tastes in music. Here's another thought: instead of crying me a river about how you can't afford to buy full albums for a single song - howsabout getting a subscription to itunes, or a similar service?

There are plenty alternatives to your desructive habit, maybe you shouldn't spend all your money on beer and blow up dolls.

The point is that you are blatantly hurting the music industry. Not just the band is at stake here. The people affiliated with the bands are as well. The publisher and their employees, record label people, recording people, the road crew, anybody affiliated with the band is hurting because you and your friends don't feel like shelling out a bit of money to buy an album... So you go on the internet and get it for free - illegally. Good for you, I hope you feel better for yourself.

Thanks to fuck ups like yourself, my hope of opening a record store of my own someday is creeping further and further away from me. Ass Hole.

im not crying you a river, you are nagging i pirate stuff. And i dont give a h00t about you not finding it ok what i do, but you already knew that i hope. as for record label people, ive heard they earn enough as is. As for calling me an ass hole, i hope that makes you feel better. I know i feel better downloading everything, its much easier and cheaper, and after all, that is what technology is about

[mabufo]

Technology is not about illegally pirating music. I think your logic is flawed.

[Dead-Inside]

Technology is not about illegally pirating music. I think your logic is flawed.

And so is yours.

Anyway, it wasn't only PiratByrån which went down along with TPB, http://www.istheshit.net and at least 6 other major sites went down at the same time. The police, at this time, are holding the servers "for however long it will take". There's a general will and a strong possibility that the police and/or Anti-PiratByrån (This is a lobby-group consisting of Sony BMG and several other production companies, basically representing the giants) will be sued. The police acted on APBs behalf while siezing the PiratByrån servers. Why so many other sites were taken down has not been explained as of yet.

More will follow.

[Fearian]

Mufabo - you will never convince him. and your being offensive.

also my excuses for pirating are similar. I dont pirate music, I think I should pay money to the artist no matter how well off they seem. im also supporting my local independant record shop.

I do torrent progrms like Photoshop and 3ds max or flash. my reasoning being, there is not a chance in hell I will ever pay for these programs. ergo the industry looses absolutly no money by me torrenting them.

if you dont like it thats fine but you wont convince me otherwise. I actually think you have a very good view on pirating stuff but its not to my tastes.

[InternalRage]

I do torrent progrms like Photoshop and 3ds max or flash. my reasoning being, there is not a chance in hell I will ever pay for these programs. ergo the industry looses absolutly no money by me torrenting them.

Good point indeed, I mean, if you are NEVER going to pay for a program, you torrent it. So the company doesn't gain/lose any money. Because if it wasnt for torrents etc, you wouldn't buy it. Correct?

[mabufo]

I do torrent progrms like Photoshop and 3ds max or flash. my reasoning being, there is not a chance in hell I will ever pay for these programs. ergo the industry looses absolutly no money by me torrenting them.

Good point indeed, I mean, if you are NEVER going to pay for a program, you torrent it. So the company doesn't gain/lose any money. Because if it wasnt for torrents etc, you wouldn't buy it. Correct?

There are free equivalents to those programs on the internet. There is no reason to illegally obtain copies of them.

Gimp for example, is a photoshop clone... and You have Gmax for 3ds... There are plenty of others as well. Seriously guys, wtf?

EDIT: As far as my being offensive goes, I don't give a flying fuck. It's because of people like you that I won't be able to open the record store I've always wanted to open. You guys need to realize you aren't just hurting the bands - you are also hurting retail establishments that sell the merchandise. It's like you guys say: Who wants to buy music when you can get it for free? You guys make me sick.

[otihome2469]

I get your points but its technology. your on a hl2 mapping forum... im sure the guys here know what their computer can do so basically everyone here has a bit of pirating skills, though its not right its just the way it is, you cant just yell at him if you have a problem say something to the millions of people who downlod music.

[slayera]

I do torrent progrms like Photoshop and 3ds max or flash. my reasoning being, there is not a chance in hell I will ever pay for these programs. ergo the industry looses absolutly no money by me torrenting them.

Good point indeed, I mean, if you are NEVER going to pay for a program, you torrent it. So the company doesn't gain/lose any money. Because if it wasnt for torrents etc, you wouldn't buy it. Correct?

There are free equivalents to those programs on the internet. There is no reason to illegally obtain copies of them.

Gimp for example, is a photoshop clone... and You have Gmax for 3ds... There are plenty of others as well. Seriously guys, wtf?

EDIT: As far as my being offensive goes, I don't give a flying fuck. It's because of people like you that I won't be able to open the record store I've always wanted to open. You guys need to realize you aren't just hurting the bands - you are also hurting retail establishments that sell the merchandise. It's like you guys say: Who wants to buy music when you can get it for free? You guys make me sick.

I don't make a dime off the software I do use. If a company is using the software to make something for sale then yes, you pay for it. I don't get paid to make maps or release them. When I start getting paid will buy the software I use.

Record labels used the same excuse that radio would kill album sales, but guess what, it boosted them. It's just as easy to record radio and that is free, so long as you don't sell it. Sales only go up when people get the chance the listen before they buy. I bought more CD's since since I started downloading. Another reason I live in a dinky little town, the next close big city is 200 miles away. I have the choice between kmart or walmart (walmart now edits their CD's, assholes) for CD's, so it is very hard to find more underground stuff. I have to wait til I go to Califoria to find the good stuff I am downloading.

[Rocket_Robinhood]

good prank, if it is a hoax

[mabufo]

It's time to wise up. There is no excuse for this stuff. It doesn't matter that you know how to pirate things, that other people pirate things. It's not ok to do just because other people do it. There are free versions of software that you can use... Especially for mod work.

Here are some free 3d programs off the top of my head: Blender, GMax, Maya personal learning edition, max free trial, milkshape, wings, ECT. It's time to stop bullshitting yourself. If you don't want to buy the software, don't buy it - don't steal it either. Didn't your mothers teach you anything?

You can order CDs/music over the itnernet. Itunes is a good example - there are such things as online retailers that will ship things to your house so you don't have to go to california to buy them - so why pirate?

Any excuse you guys come up with will never be good enough - you're all just a bunch of thieves, and should be ashamed of yourselves for it. This stuff is n't just some idealogical thing for me - it's personal.

[Dead-Inside]

good prank, if it is a hoax

It isn't.

[ColinDoody]

I do torrent progrms like Photoshop and 3ds max or flash. my reasoning being, there is not a chance in hell I will ever pay for these programs. ergo the industry looses absolutly no money by me torrenting them.

Good point indeed, I mean, if you are NEVER going to pay for a program, you torrent it. So the company doesn't gain/lose any money. Because if it wasnt for torrents etc, you wouldn't buy it. Correct?

TECHNICALLY, that is in fact the most logical way to justify it. If you could somehow prove that, with the absence of pirating you never would have bought the program and therefore are not damaging the company in any way then you should have every right in torrenting it ... but until we can create an alternate-reality viewer that can actually prove that with the absence of pirating you would not have bought the software, you simply cant know if you would or would not buy the software.

[mabufo]

I do torrent progrms like Photoshop and 3ds max or flash. my reasoning being, there is not a chance in hell I will ever pay for these programs. ergo the industry looses absolutly no money by me torrenting them.

Good point indeed, I mean, if you are NEVER going to pay for a program, you torrent it. So the company doesn't gain/lose any money. Because if it wasnt for torrents etc, you wouldn't buy it. Correct?

TECHNICALLY, that is in fact the most logical way to justify it. If you could somehow prove that, with the absence of pirating you never would have bought the program and therefore are not damaging the company in any way then you should have every right in torrenting it ... but until we can create an alternate-reality viewer that can actually prove that with the absence of pirating you would not have bought the software, you simply cant know if you would or would not buy the software.

So if you don't pay for it - it's ok to steal it? Am I missing something?

[zombie@computer]

Technology is not about illegally pirating music. I think your logic is flawed.

I was referring to getting things cheap and easy, not pirating itself

So if you don't pay for it - it's ok to steal it? Am I missing something?

Im not following it either, flawed logic yet again. This thread seems full of it. I dont think "if i aint gonna buy it in the first place, its okay to steal it" justifies torrenting. That would mean its okay to steal a ferrari because theres no way you are going to buy one in the first place? Most of my arguments are more valid that this

torrenting may be wrong in YOUR opinion, Mabufo, but in MY opinion its ok. i dont care if you think it isnt in YOUR opinion, thats what having an opinion is all about. Considering some countries think different than yours states clearly its all just a matter of OPINIONS, istead of laws or things like that.

Oh, and it certainly isnt the fault of the illegal downloaders music stores are of the past, have you thought about what legal music downloads do? People want things easy and fast, and going downtown to the musicstore is not as easy and fast as downloading music (legal or illegal) is.