Super Columbine Massacre- Colubine Highschool massacre Game

[Caste]

oh, my bad

[NOCTVRNVS]

BUT IT'S KOOL 2 IDOLIZE PPL WHO R REBELS LYK TEH COLUMBINE KIDS & CHAY GWAVARA!!1

To idolize a coward... what would that make YOU?

[Persol]

Making a video game about it doesn't mean they admire the action. Likewise playing a game doesn't mean that.

Does playing GTA idolize mobsters and gansters?


Get some damn perspective. This video game hurts nobody that isn't already hurt beyond hope (the families and people actually involved).

Just because something doesn't hit close to home for YOU (WWII, current videogames about middle-east) doesn't suddenly make it OK. The Columbine kids were sick fucks, but rest assured that some people in WWII and the middle-east are as well.

[Mango]

What's the point in being offended? Who gives a shit? It won't make one jot of difference and it doesn't change what has been.

People get so worked up over the trivial - there're issues that are far more deserving of your attention and vehemenence.

That whole "well they served their country, with honour" bit made me laugh. They blindly served the agenda of corporations. Open a book once in a while.

EDIT: The JFK game isn't historically accurate, it doesn't generate magic-bullets.

[MercX]

I think it was just a stupid thing to do. Making a game from something like Columbine is different from making one based on a war or even GTA. Personally, I have no desire to play a game where the only objective is to shoot helpless children.

GTA rides on the line and always has. It has sparked a lot of controversy because you kill cops, pedestrians, and break basically every law out there. I find it a bit distasteful, but a lot of people like it because you play a "rebel". This game is completely impersonal and really, the objective is to kill "bad guys" and be a badass gangster.

A war game is also impersonal, even though you do have the option to be the enemy. You are fighting for your life, against armed and hostile opponents. The main focus of the games are often the strategy or the historical content.

The Columbine game is none of this. It is obviously not made for strategic or informative value. You are killing innocent people with no motive in the least strategic and most cowardly way possible. Not calling it "Columbine" might have made it a fraction of an inch better, but it still would be a stupid game.

The JFK one had at least a little motive, and was made more for the gameplay than for the experience of shooting a president.

@Mango: Just because I can't change something doesn't mean I have to be apathetic about it.

EDIT: yeah, the JFK one did miss the magic bullet part. Shame, really.

[Persol]

Personally, I have no desire to play a game where the only objective is to shoot helpless children.

And other than that, nothing else you said really matters.

Not seeing a purpose in a game, or thinking it is distasteful, is your opinion. Good for you, but that's no excuse to try and get a game banned or removed.

A war game is only 'impersonal' because you are not as close to it. 'Killing innocents' in a game is a stupid idea... it's a fucking video game. There are no 'innocents'.

[Mango]

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2006/0707/20060707_120046_columbine_docs0706c.pdf Release of 900+ pages, Columbine documents. 33MB .pdf

[MercX]

Personally, I have no desire to play a game where the only objective is to shoot helpless children.

And other than that, nothing else you said really matters.

Not seeing a purpose in a game, or thinking it is distasteful, is your opinion. Good for you, but that's no excuse to try and get a game banned or removed.

A war game is only 'impersonal' because you are not as close to it. 'Killing innocents' in a game is a stupid idea... it's a fucking video game. There are no 'innocents'.

1. I don't recall saying anything about getting it banned or removed, and since I can read my post from right here, I can confirm that. My point was that making the game was stupid. If you don't believe me, read the very first sentence in my post a few times. In my opinion it shouldn't have been made. I didn't say it was illegal.

2. Yes, that is my opinion. Of course it is. I'm not citing any proven research documents.

3. I think you missed my point with the whole war thing. A typical war game is based on strategy and teamwork to make it realistic and enjoyable. Most have some sort of history lesson embedded in them or quotes from the war to give you a feel for what the soldiers experienced. If you buy a war game, you are looking specifically for one with good gameplay, exciting firefights, etc etc... You don't see a war game and say "killing Germans makes me feel like a good person, I think I'll play this." No. Not usually anyway, some people might get off on it. If you do, then the game becomes personal.

My point is that the Columbine game is nothing like this. You can't possibly argue that it was made for exciting firefights, fluent gameplay, efficient teamwork, and strategy with Columbine simply as the medium. It isn't. It is solely focusing on the tragedy of Columbine and making a mockery of it. If you get off on killing kids, it's the right game for you. Otherwise there is no purpose to playing it.

Of course, I could be completely wrong.

[Ripper_hugme]

People, people lets all just lock this down and get on with our lives.

[Persol]

My point is that the Columbine game is nothing like this. You can't possibly argue that it was made for exciting firefights, fluent gameplay, efficient teamwork, and strategy with Columbine simply as the medium. It isn't. It is solely focusing on the tragedy of Columbine and making a mockery of it.

I suggest you actually look at it. It's doesn't have exciting firefights, efficient teamwork or great strategy... because it's an RPG. If anything, it's a computer generated commentary.

http://www.seriousgames.org/archives/000150.html
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/feature/co ... 171966.php

It is sad that people try and attack a game because they aren't comfortable with the subject.

[MercX]

This is why I usually don't get caught up in serious forum discussions... I make an idiot out of myself. I actually just finished reading that very article, and I guess it isn't too much of a surprise that something like this would be made. I merely assumed it was a stupid first person shooter or something, in which case, I think my ranting would have been absolutely right.

It kinda sounded like that the way people were talking about it. Sorry, I just know someone's family involved in that and my temper flared.

[Shr3d]

Why are we having this discussion it's only making it more popular on google

[Woe Kitten]

This is why I usually don't get caught up in serious forum discussions...

Amen to that brother. Sorry for the JFK comment, although in my defence I was attempting to point out that a game about JFK is on a completely other level to Columbine. He was a very nasty peice of work who had so many people wanting to kill him that nobody can work out who actually did, they were innocent children who were brutally gunned down in cold blood.

[Haxel]

To all the people who for every serious discussion thread say 'Who gives a shit man, don't be offended, the entire universe is meaningless', it's not just about the opinions of people on this forum. People take offence to this stuff, and not just because it's a violent game, but because it glorifies what most people on the planet consider to be a horrific event.

Glorifying and fictionally depicting stuff like gangster actvities is utterly different, and i'm willing to bet that any classification authority would never allow a game like this to be released officially. Even the BBFC (British Board for Film Classification, for those outside the UK) agrees that there is some stupid hype over some games that pose nothing more extreme than games or films that have been out in the past, but this is something I think they would be against.

[Zyggy]

Just because a guy who was there seemed to give the game a positive opinion, doesn't mean it was right.

I think that there's a line you can cross with glamourising violence. Even WW2 games raise some ethical issues with me.

I'd rather watch a well-crafted documentary if i wanted to see what happened at columbine, or watch a movie like saving private ryan if i wanted to see a film about ww2.

However much you argue that video games are "another form of expression", they are not yet advanced enough to deal with such heavy subject matter in the way that films and books are. I mean, can you imagine if American History X was a game? It wouldn't have nearly the same impact.