Military Comissions Act 2006

[Mango]

Didn't think I was gonna post again, but this is important. If you don't know about this bill already then you should, if you know then you might not appreciate its full implications, and if you do you will understand why I write this.

Last week the House of Congress passed a bill called the Military Commissions Act. This tyrannical and despotic bill is the death knell to your freedoms and rights. No, really, I wish I were kidding.

At its core, this bill is an attempt to legalise torture, secret arrests, kangaroo courts and unlimted detention under the banner of 'redefining the rules on torture'. This bill allows the executive to designate ANY US or world citizen (including immigrants or foreign nationals) as an unlawful enemy combatant(using whatever criteria they wish) which means that you're stripped of your citizenship. By doing this, you are no longer protected under the Geneva Convention, the Bill of Rights or the 4th Amendment. Only US citizens are allowed Habeas Corpus - which allows you the right to face your accusers and the right to appeal against a sentencing if you have evidence deemed worthy. However, in practice this will not count for much because being an IEC you are not allowed a trial with a jury of your peers - you will face a military court with three Army generals, even if you ARE allowed an appeal, it will be again in a military court. You will be secretly arrested and convicted by secret evidence, in secret proceedings - they do not have to notify a soul.

You can be tortured and have the confessions extracted from you to be used in the trial. The definition of torture this legislation cites is US code title 18 section 2340. this is a broad definition of torture and completely lacks the specific clarity of the Geneva Conventions. This definition allows the use of torture that is, "incidental to lawful sanctions." In alliance with the bill's blanket authority for President Bush to define the Geneva Conventions as he sees fit, this legislates the use of torture.

For evidence of this horrific legislation, see John Yoo, professor of law at Berkeley, co-author of the PATRIOT Act, author of torture memos and White House advisor. During a December 1st debate in Chicago with Notre Dame professor and international human rights scholar Doug Cassel, John Yoo gave the green light for the scope of torture to legally include sexual torture of infants.

Cassel: If the president deems that he's got to torture somebody, including by crushing the testicles of the person's child, there is no law that can stop him?

Yoo: No treaty.

Cassel: Also no law by Congress - that is what you wrote in the August 2002 memo.

Yoo: I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to do that.

Here's the audio of the transcription

So this for use against suspected terrorists, right? Why should they have the same rights as me, a normal person? Aside from this argument being completely callous and insane, this bill also allows political subversives and anyone who is deemed un-patriotic to be held as an unlawful enemy combatant. Don't believe me? Read Subsection 4(b) (26) of section 950v. of HR 6166 - Crimes triable by military commissions - for it includes the following definition.

"Any person subject to this chapter who, in breach of an allegiance or duty to the United States, knowingly and intentionally aids an enemy of the United States, or one of the co-belligerents of the enemy, shall be punished as a military commission under this chapter may direct."

"Allegiance" and "duty" are vague and coloured terms, how does the administration define these terms? It is not stated. The wording of the entire bill is vague and open to interpretation is the most unlawful and vile ways possible. Again we see them able to use whatever criteria they wish in designation.

The LA Times and NY Times have condemned the bill citing, "The compromise legislation....authorizes the president to seize American citizens as enemy combatants, even if they have never left the United States. And once thrown into military prison, they cannot expect a trial by their peers or any other of the normal protections of the Bill of Rights." and "A dangerously broad definition of "illegal enemy combatant" in the bill could subject legal residents of the United States, as well as foreign citizens living in their own countries, to summary arrest and indefinite detention with no hope of appeal. The president could give the power to apply this label to anyone he wanted."

Calling the bill "our generation's version of the Alien and Sedition Acts," the Times goes on to highlight the rubber stamping of torture.

"Coerced evidence would be permissible if a judge considered it reliable - already a contradiction in terms - and relevant. Coercion is defined in a way that exempts anything done before the passage of the 2005 Detainee Treatment Act, and anything else Mr. Bush chooses."

And you'd better belive that they'll use these new powers, which I might add, no American administration has EVER had before. The founding fathers were fighting against this kind of tyranny. Look at the case of Jose Padilla, who was held under the USA PATRIOT ACT for nearly three years, before being released because of no evidence of terrorism.

This bill also looks set to absolve the current administration from war-crimes carried out under the provisions detailed in this abominable act. WATCH CNN FOR PROOF.

My friends and enemies (of the truth), what I have shown you is concrete evidence of this government's flagrant disregard for anything approaching human rights, and at worst, the beginnings of a dictatorship and the week when American democracy died.

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[zombie@computer]

In kapitalistic USA, cracy demos you!

Heh.

Not much is left of the freedom that once existed in the country of the free. And that isnt the cause of terrorism

[Caste]

The terrorists looked to take away our freedoms and everything we enjoy about living in a free country

They won

[Spas12]

Not much is left of the freedom that once existed in the country of the free.

QFT

[Sorrow]

Oh yeah! the fucking decline has begun, I can already see it in front of me, civil war, nuclear strikes, total global destruction!

and then! the aliens can come and take over!

*cough* okay...

I saw some of this on some news sites, didn't really think this was going to well "put into action" for real
I mean, err well I already know that the legal system in the US is fucked up (hey, what isn't )
but this is crazy, legalizing torture obviously makes it easier to get innocent people to confess to crimes they didn't commit.


maybe we should hire the A-team.

[zombie@computer]

The terrorists looked to take away our freedoms and everything we enjoy about living in a free country

They won

Yes, the terrorists are the cause of this. All americans should go out and trash every window of every shop thats being run by terrorists.

Know your history. It removes the ability of other to tell you 100% crap which you 100% believe...

[Sorrow]

it's no use, judging by all that was said, that boy has been spoonfed with government propaganda.
let's get some fish and chips now ok?

[Fearian]

oh pffft! dw. srsly. this has happened loads of times in other countries! I mean russia had this for ages! people even kept packed bags by the door in case they where taken at 4am in the morning (the most common time) it was so widespread! and russia turned out ok! they just put millions of innocents in concentration camps known as gulags. or tourtured them to death.

stalinist russia wasnt sooo bad. Im sure the US will get over it.

/Can I copy this thread into other forums, linking back and giving you credit btw?

[Mango]

You most definitely can, Fearian. It's important for eveyone to know about what's happening. Spread the word.

[Caste]

The terrorists looked to take away our freedoms and everything we enjoy about living in a free country

They won

Yes, the terrorists are the cause of this. All americans should go out and trash every window of every shop thats being run by terrorists.

Know your history. It removes the ability of other to tell you 100% crap which you 100% believe...

Don't talk to me about history, I know it fairly well
But you can easily say all of this was set in motion by 9/11.

[Mango]

What you mean the Quite Obviously An Inside Job 9/11 we all know and love, carried out by the Historically Proven Purveyors of Government Sponsored Terrorism The American Government we all respect and adore?

What do you even mean "set in motion" by 9/11, as if this is some logical conclusion that might be reached by an administration. The escalation of the need for domestic security - to reach to a point where it seems imperative to have the legal ability to torture its own citizens for their own security - could not happen unless the leadership is absolutely insane; a tyrannical despot bent on dictatorship; or felt itself in the direst need.

The threat of terrorism has been used by elements within the government to expand its war-time powers over its own citizens; line the pockets of its benefactors; conduct a quest for imperialism; to weaken the constitution; push us further into a global government and conduct a never-ending war against a shadowy enemy that can never be caught.

You may not agree, but it is happening whether you choose to see it or not. This bill is just another massive red flag in a series of other MASSIVE red flags. Homeland security; RFID chipping; cashless control grid; face scanning cameras; the no-bid sole-source Halliburton contracts for building detention camps and many more.

The New World Order, Novus Ordo Seclorum, it is coming and it's nearly here. You know what it is? It's COSCO bringing slave-labour products to California at their (bought and paid for) Long Beach Naval Weapons Shipyard, products made by THIRTY MILLION prisoners (many political dissidents) which are then sold to places like Walmart; it's the Halliburton/Dyncorp scandal of selling women and children into sex-slavery; it's government child-prostitute SEX PARTIES; government and UN officials getting caught with child-prostitutes; 3rd world vaccinations killing 50 MILLION babies.

This is what is happening, you can check each and every one of my points. Every, single, one. This is what is happening. All massive red flags, are you so blind that you cannot see it? Never mind, sometime soon you too will see - let us hope it is not too late.

[Persol]

You were doing so well, then you went into left field with your fucking conspiracy theories again.

Let's be VERY clear. The MCA is a piece of legislation that gives way to much power to our government. The truth is bad enough without having to make shit up.

What you mean the Quite Obviously An Inside Job 9/11 we all know and love

There's no reason for something like this to be 'an inside job' when others are quite capable of committing the acts. This is proof-less.

The threat of terrorism is being exagerrated and abused... that doesn't mean it's fabricated.

Homeland security; RFID chipping; cashless control grid; face scanning cameras; the no-bid sole-source Halliburton contracts for building detention camps and many more.

Homeland security - 90% of their tasks are beign. The 'bad' things they do were around before Homeland Security was created.
RFID chipping - Overrated and easily defeated.
Face scanning cameras - Just a waste of money... not some conspiracy as you put forward. They don't work.
No bid contracts - sadly common, and unrelated to the major issue at hand


Once again, in another thread, I'm done with your conspiracy theories.

[Caste]

What you mean the Quite Obviously An Inside Job 9/11 we all know and love, carried out by the Historically Proven Purveyors of Government Sponsored Terrorism The American Government we all respect and adore?

What do you even mean "set in motion" by 9/11, as if this is some logical conclusion that might be reached by an administration. The escalation of the need for domestic security - to reach to a point where it seems imperative to have the legal ability to torture its own citizens for their own security - could not happen unless the leadership is absolutely insane; a tyrannical despot bent on dictatorship; or felt itself in the direst need.

The threat of terrorism has been used by elements within the government to expand its war-time powers over its own citizens; line the pockets of its benefactors; conduct a quest for imperialism; to weaken the constitution; push us further into a global government and conduct a never-ending war against a shadowy enemy that can never be caught.

You may not agree, but it is happening whether you choose to see it or not. This bill is just another massive red flag in a series of other MASSIVE red flags. Homeland security; RFID chipping; cashless control grid; face scanning cameras; the no-bid sole-source Halliburton contracts for building detention camps and many more.

The New World Order, Novus Ordo Seclorum, it is coming and it's nearly here. You know what it is? It's COSCO bringing slave-labour products to California at their (bought and paid for) Long Beach Naval Weapons Shipyard, products made by THIRTY MILLION prisoners (many political dissidents) which are then sold to places like Walmart; it's the Halliburton/Dyncorp scandal of selling women and children into sex-slavery; it's government child-prostitute SEX PARTIES; government and UN officials getting caught with child-prostitutes; 3rd world vaccinations killing 50 MILLION babies.

This is what is happening, you can check each and every one of my points. Every, single, one. This is what is happening. All massive red flags, are you so blind that you cannot see it? Never mind, sometime soon you too will see - let us hope it is not too late.

Lets not go romping into conspiracy theorist territory right now. Assuming every bad thing in the world happening is connected back to the government isn't exactly logical. And don't even start on 9/11 being an inside job, we've already been through that and disproven every point thrown over the wall.

Although I disagree with the whole idea that the Bush office is some satanic cult looking for a New World Order, I agree with the fact that they are looking to spread themselves outward beyond what they had pre-9/11. They're looking for resources, and looking to place puppets in positions of power in what is the most crucial part of the world atm.

The group in office are a shady bunch, and are very obviously simply looking to line the pockets of them and their friends (Halliburton contracts, oil industry connections, etc.) But I doubt they have the mental capacity or loyalty behind them to perform anything of grandeur like 9/11 or even some kind of police state transformation

I think you looked way too deeply into it, but what I'm referring to with 'set in motion by 9/11' is that it started these whole chain of events that eventually, and I guess inevitably, to this bill.
9/11-Chase the terrorists-fear mongering of terrorism-increased security-extreme secrutiy-etc. etc.

As Persol said, although it is exagerrated, it isn't nonexistant. There are plenty of groups out there that would love to blow up some stuff in the US, and America's aggressive stance may be putting them on their heels, but that has yet to be seen.

And I highly doubt Wal-mart is in on some New World Order

I don't know what forums you romp around or what documentaries you blindly follow as truth, but leave those behind and bring your logic here.

[Fearian]

yeah you really had me untill the 'inside job' bit. stick with the new bill seeing as im with you all the way on that.

[Ripper_hugme]

I ignore such things, too much to worry about.