Anyone Know about this?

[p1nkfl0yd1an]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan49.html

Whoah, I had no idea that was going on. Nuclear tipped bunker busters... Another country with lobbyists in Washington and other major American Cities? Seriously guys, if you live in America don't let other countries itell our elected leaders what to do. Israel has every right to be around but seriously... we're the one's who are supposed to tell our congressman what we want them to do... not you Israel. Get out of our media, and get out of Washington... unless you're there for diplomatic reasons. I don't want the U.S. Dragged into another war because you were afraid of a country that can barely feed itself. Just chill out Israel.

Obviously for the most part this is a forum populated by the british... feel free to respond with your take on it. From what I heard the BBC talks about this kind of stuff all the time. If i got it on my TV I'd watch the British news all day.

[Shr3d]

It's kind of a mix really, I'd say 35% british, 30% USA and 35% other.

[DarkDemonenator]

So by those numbers we have 65% anti-american and 30% pissed off at the goverment and how it represents us with an extra 5% that have an IQ too low to be considered serious.


This really sucks. Thats all I have to say. I kinda wish we would just stand back and say "Fuck ya'll I'm just gonna chill alone in the corner for a few years, we will let you guys sort some shit out."

If Iran is attacked, I pray to god... that the US has NOTHING to do with supporting it.


Hey, look on the bright side, looks like the hitman profession is going to have an increase in demand for skilled professionals and amaturs who wish to take out key political leaders for a cheap price.

[zombie@computer]

America isnt the only country which is ruled by other countries. Just as half of europe is ruled by the usa, so is the usa ruled by half of europe.

[Woe Kitten]

I kinda wish we would just stand back and say "Fuck ya'll I'm just gonna chill alone in the corner for a few years, we will let you guys sort some shit out."

Yeah I kinda wish you would too. Not 'for a few years' but permanently. Sadly, if you did that, your selfish ignorance would destroy human kind through climate change. Plus you'd probably start another Civil War since Americans are never really happy unless they are killing something.

[Dead-Inside]

America isnt the only country which is ruled by other countries. Just as half of europe is ruled by the usa, so is the usa ruled by half of europe.

Really?

[Sorrow]

Hmmm there's a huge jewish lobby in the USA, rich as hell, now no need for racism and shit, but the jews themselves aren't really clean either.

as for nuking Iran... well more "Iran's bunkers"
from an ethical standpoint ... well okay, nukes should be abolished imo, but if you can stop a country getting nukes then well it's pretty handy to have em around.

let's hope there's some proof before they start nuking things... We don't want another country @ war based on lies.

[Jest@]

I have a major problem taking anything written by Pat Buchanan seriously...


anyway, the jewish lobby thing...people have been screaming about it for years, but in all seriousness, although they probably get slightly more priviledged access and attention, they're virtually insignificant in actual policy outcome, except where US-israeli relations are directly relevant or on foreign policy issues directly affecting Israel (eg Lebanon this summer). Everyone thinks the US jumps at any israeli growling, it's simply not true. I've spent the last 2 years studying US foreign relations in the middle east, and the history of the arab-israeli conflict, and seriously, it's not nearly as big a factor as people think. Although perhaps more so at the moment.

btw 'nuclear-tipped' bunker-busters...i think the link meant uranium tipped, that doesnt make it a nuke. Radioactive, yes, but a nuclear explosion no. I cant recall exactly why uranium is good for tipping bombs, but it's some property other than its radioactivity iirc

[slayera]

I have a major problem taking anything written by Pat Buchanan seriously...


...I cant recall exactly why uranium is good for tipping bombs, but it's some property other than its radioactivity iirc

Pat is a punk.


Spent uranuim is very hard and dense, great for make little holes in big tanks, super high speed darts. For the most part it is harmless and inert, but the dust that flakes off is very deadly for lungs.

[Caste]

it's the j0000000000000ssssss!!!!

[RSX WHEEEEEE]

Hmmm there's a huge jewish lobby in the USA, rich as hell, now no need for racism and shit, but the jews themselves aren't really clean either.

as for nuking Iran... well more "Iran's bunkers"
from an ethical standpoint ... well okay, nukes should be abolished imo, but if you can stop a country getting nukes then well it's pretty handy to have em around.

let's hope there's some proof before they start nuking things... We don't want another country @ war based on lies.

when you say clean, do you mean in terms of the actual ppl, or the fact that israel has lotsa nukes?
cuz i like Israel having those nukes so they can be safe from the A-rabs.
and if you meant actual jews, im not suprised, since many jews smoke weed and the like and they reek of it

[slayera]

...since many jews smoke weed and the like and they reek of it...

O RLY? Do they smoke Kosher blunts?

[Shr3d]

...since many jews smoke weed and the like and they reek of it...

O RLY? Do they smoke Kosher blunts?

lmfao.

[p1nkfl0yd1an]

Lol, kosher blunts. I did some more looking into it and it seems the media side of the whole lobbying thing is pretty bad. I'm not expert of the current situation but from what I've managed to cram into my brain this is what's occurring.

Starting a while ago the Israeli government put some compounds up smack in the middle of where the Palestinians are living. Technically this is against all U.N. rules and they've even been warned about it. So more compounds were built strategically to have a network over most of the palestinian land. Then the military started restricting travel on the roads surrounding these compounds to non-israeli citizens so a whole lot of palestinians couldn't get to work, school, or see extended family. In recent years some areas of palestinian land were under military enforced day-round curfew for more than 60% of the year. I'd be pissed too. So when someone gets frustrated and starts throwing rocks at the military who's been oppressing them this is where the media spin comes in.

Most news agencies across the globe report the conflicts for what they are... palestinians fighting back over the land they lost and their freedoms that don't exist. However in america it's a little different. The palestinians are presented as people who just started throwing rocks for the hell of it. The illegally built compounds are referred to as "quiet Israeli neighborhoods under attack." When really the compounds themselves were a sort of first attack. It just really upsets me seeing this sort of thing beeing twisted so far in the media before it reaches the average person on an american news program. If the people don't know the facts how is anyone supposed to elect leaders who are going to make decisions based upon what we want? Anyhow thats my extremely basic understanding of whats going on. Feel free to correct me where I'm wrong or add something important I missed.

[Mr. Happy]

I definitely notice the change in language and attitude when BBC world report comes on npr at midnight

the whole israeli/palestinian thing really pisses me off. for god sakesb both states have a right to exxist. israel: let em and stop fighting, palestine: get your gov together and stop fighting


and if we learned anything from the cold war and massive retaliation its that having defensive nukes in case the other guy got them is a bad idea