Fox Hunting

[Sorrow]

If them foxes would be able to kill you for food, they would happily do it. I'm not pro "useless violence against animals" or anything, but i cant really say i care about foxes or their cubs any more than i care about rats or ants for that matter. It's a kill or be killed world, why would it be any different for foxes than for rats? Because woxxes are wewwy wittle wuwwy aniwaws? I don't really see the difference.

that's cos your mind is set on money

[Rustvaar]

Theres nothing you humans would consider "humane"

Seriously, quit it, it's starting to bug me.

As it is, I.

The-Fox you need to get down off the soap-box and return to normality with the rest of us, you're a human too and your condescending attitude is not well received.

In my eyes people have every right to hunt, within certain limitations relating to certain animals then definitely. I've never been hunting, never saw the point in hunting and have no real desire to hunt.

But if someone suddenly turned round and said "Well you don't need to eat meat, we've evolved beyond that - we have all the nutrition we need from these pre-packed spage-age bullshit dinners." It wouldn't really fly; I'd still want to eat meat and I'd say 9.9/10 of the world's population would still want to eat meat, you can't say we've evolved beyond the point of hunting and that doing so is barbaric.

Hunting must take a certain level of skill and dedication or we'd all be doing it (aside from our moral opinions of animals being furry human beings).

I would continue my points further but sadly I have to leave, maybe I'll follow up when I get back.

[Sorrow]

unting must take a certain level of skill and dedication or we'd all be doing it (aside from our moral opinions of animals being furry human beings).

this makes no sense, you're saying that even if I felt that animals should die, I wouldn't go hunting because I'm a bloody noob at it?

[Dionysos]

unting must take a certain level of skill and dedication or we'd all be doing it (aside from our moral opinions of animals being furry human beings).

this makes no sense, you're saying that even if I felt that animals should die, I wouldn't go hunting because I'm a bloody noob at it?

I think what he means is that if it were really really easy, we'd all have done it. Like squashing ants (just an example).

[B2019]

there is a difference beetween a fox and an ant... foxes are a lot more inteligent than ants. it dosent matter if its cute of fuzzy or whatever, its the fact that they are a lot more developed than an ant. i wouldent go and kill a pig for sport, no more than i would a fox!

also demonenator, that makes the breeders better then? also, are we still so stupid that we cant figure out new ways to deal with the problem? We are meant to be the master race. we are not supposed to be like animals, yet we still come up with the same soloutions. if its in ur way, kill it. what a great moto

[The-fox]

Your obviously not a so called master race with every problem going on in the world. Humans always likes to take what the most gruesome way out of things unless ofcourse it happens to themselfs because hey they dont have to suffer and if they dont it doesnt matter what happens.

[Dionysos]

Your obviously not a so called master race with every problem going on in the world. Humans always likes to take what the most gruesome way out of things unless ofcourse it happens to themselfs because hey they dont have to suffer and if they dont it doesnt matter what happens.

Jesus, *we* are obviously not a master-race.

Also, about the ants, that was just my interpretation of what Rustvaar said, a bad example.

[Mr. Happy]

If them foxes would be able to kill you for food, they would happily do it. I'm not pro "useless violence against animals" or anything, but i cant really say i care about foxes or their cubs any more than i care about rats or ants for that matter. It's a kill or be killed world, why would it be any different for foxes than for rats? Because woxxes are wewwy wittle wuwwy aniwaws? I don't really see the difference.

foxes eat grasshoppers, beetles, crickets, berries, nuts, and grains. In the wintertime, when the bugs and fruits are gone, they eat small animals like mice, rabbits, birds, turtles, eggs, and even dead animals like road-kills

In other words, they wouldnt kill you for food. Your too big for their stomach. We are also their only predator, which is only a recent thing (few hundred years or so) so no, its not a kill or be killed world when it come to this topic.


Foxes only eat chickens off of farms, which are mostly penned in a library like vault anyway. Actually, a lot of farmers have stopped shooting them because they also eat the insects and mice that destroy their crops.

[slayera]

We are also their only predator,

No wolves and coyotes eat'em if the can find and catch them, at least here in Wyoming, and in Idaho and Montana. I would not put it pass a mountain lion, bobcat or a lynx to attack one either. A lynx would be about the same size as a fox.

About the ant and foxes, while more intelligent than ants, ant are more important to the world then any amount of foxes. Every creature has it place in the world though.

[zombie@computer]

If them foxes would be able to kill you for food, they would happily do it. I'm not pro "useless violence against animals" or anything, but i cant really say i care about foxes or their cubs any more than i care about rats or ants for that matter. It's a kill or be killed world, why would it be any different for foxes than for rats? Because woxxes are wewwy wittle wuwwy aniwaws? I don't really see the difference.

foxes eat grasshoppers, beetles, crickets, berries, nuts, and grains. In the wintertime, when the bugs and fruits are gone, they eat small animals like mice, rabbits, birds, turtles, eggs, and even dead animals like road-kills

In other words, they wouldnt kill you for food. Your too big for their stomach. We are also their only predator, which is only a recent thing (few hundred years or so) so no, its not a kill or be killed world when it come to this topic.


Foxes only eat chickens off of farms, which are mostly penned in a library like vault anyway. Actually, a lot of farmers have stopped shooting them because they also eat the insects and mice that destroy their crops.

Please read. A fox able to kill a human is likely a wee bit bigger, dont you think? Foxes dont have ethical restrictions, they kill to eat and will happily do so. (which was my point)

Oh, and i wont continue this discussion, since you keep saying "You humans". This annoys me greatly, acting like you are above all others. It reminds me of a certain person on the old vlatitude forums, which blink probably knows too, and he was full of bullocks too. Maybe one day youll learn how the big, grownup world works, and then we can continue. But that seems a long way, grasshopper.

[Sorrow]

Foxes dont have ethical restrictions, they kill to eat and will happily do so.

but *we* do have ethical restrictions, we're uber sentient and they are not.
therefore, we carry a bigger responsibility because we're the ones dominating this earth, hunting for pleasure, fucking everything over for money.

+ they kill to eat.
hunting foxes and tearing them to shr3ds, what we're talking about here, is not something these people ("hunters" and whatnot) are doing because they want to eat, or they want to "survive" if you will, because a fox kills to survive.

we don't, we just fuck up everything.

[The-fox]

This is directed to zombie:

So only because I choose to refer to humans as I do that makes me completely unaware of the real life? How everything works, what happens, history of humans? If so your assumptions are wrong. I am as many others up-to-date with what happens alongside with the history of humanity. Dont come in here and think that YOUR superior me and that YOU can give me a lesson by thinking that me refering you humans to humans makes me completely incapable of knowing the real world. Your wrong obviously.

And I agree with Sorrow's post.

[Sorrow]

*RANT*
And I agree with Sorrow's post.

let me remind you that my post is not a personal attack or anything lol, you're kinda making it look that way...

[Rustvaar]

Hunting must take a certain level of skill and dedication or we'd all be doing it (aside from our moral opinions of animals being furry human beings).

this makes no sense, you're saying that even if I felt that animals should die, I wouldn't go hunting because I'm a bloody noob at it?

I certainly wouldn't go hunting, in this day and age? No.

I don't have the time or inclination, the ability nor desire to track animals, I could put up with the elements and I'm sure there are some very rewarding ... outcomes from hunting, such as victory over the animal, the food, the body parts, the skin or fur.

My next example may take some getting your heads round (It's not complex, just a bit far-fetched and probably contradictory).

Imagine that we are 1000 years in the past, however we still have the ability to talk to one another in this kind of environment. Say ... we still need hunter gatherers and we have the Internet. Nothing else has really advanced, we just struck it lucky when some Aliens gave us this neat technology for some rocks.

But anyway, Steve has just gone out and killed the biggest damned bear you ever did see; fired his crossbow at it from about 300 yards and nailed it.

Meanwhile 500 years earlier Steve's Great Great Great Great (you following?) Grandfather was having to outwit the bear using his stick and rock.

Would we be so up in arms at Steve? Imagine that, the animal isn't smart enough to fight! Steve's so evil.

So now we have my silly analogy here, where times change, humans develop and we find out ways to kill things that make it easier for ourselves, which let's be honest, is the ultimate human pursuit anyway.

Fair enough, I understand that we live in a time where we don't need hunter gatherers, but that's simply cause we pass the burden onto our farmers, butchers, grocers, supermarkets and so on. We've distanced ourselves from it so it's not really _us_ doing the naughty.

I feel that it is perfectly justified for people to hunt, if they get a kick out of it, if it makes them feel like they're connecting with their past and, as I am sure they would, they treat the animal as a worthy adversary and give it the respect it deserves and utilise it's carcass to the full extent then go ahead!

On the topic of hunting foxes, for the sheer fun of it, I do not agree with.

To summarise;

Purposeful hunting as a passtime to get back to the wilderness and utilise what you hunt I say 'Yes' to.

Chasing and mauling animals from horseback with no real intent of getting into the thick of things, I say 'No' to. If the farmer doesn't want the fox around then it's his land and it's up to him - Fencing is costly and impractical, if the fox wants in it will get in. If the farmer wants to blast the brains out of the fox then the fox has to learn that we are now the dominant species.

We're not the master race, far, far from it - We're simply in charge 'til the Lizards evolve.

[The-fox]

Lets hope your reign over earth wont last long then. By this pace you will have destroyed earth in a few years. Only taking up resources and killing species for the fun of it. Its stupid quite frankly but I suppose you humans will never realize that?