Fox Hunting

[Sorrow]

Imagine that we are 1000 years in the past, however we still have the ability to talk to one another in this kind of environment. Say ... we still need hunter gatherers and we have the Internet. Nothing else has really advanced, we just struck it lucky when some Aliens gave us this neat technology for some rocks.

But anyway, Steve has just gone out and killed the biggest damned bear you ever did see; fired his crossbow at it from about 300 yards and nailed it.

Meanwhile 500 years earlier Steve's Great Great Great Great (you following?) Grandfather was having to outwit the bear using his stick and rock.

Would we be so up in arms at Steve? Imagine that, the animal isn't smart enough to fight! Steve's so evil.

that's about survival, the stick or the crossbow is just a tool.
people sitting on horses with their rich friends hunting for fun and letting all the dogs do the work is just inhumane.
same as shooting the fox for no apparent reason.

[Rustvaar]

The reason is pest control.

I don't agree with anyone shooting anything for an unjustified reason, it's the part people seem to be choosing to ignore here. I've never once said that we should load up and go out on a countrywide assault on animals.

It's seeming more and more that people read what they want to read as opposed to read what is said; Farmers need an income just like you or me, farmers produce higher quality goods when competing with one another and they need to make sure they don't lose out to a hungry animal. Justified.

It may not be nice, but would it be nice if the farmer made no money and died? Let's be realistic, you're all so wrapped up in yourselves you wouldn't care!

Not so humane now are you?

If your next-door neighbour applies for the same job as you, you outdo him with your CV, prove your skills and so forth. Be the more intelligent being and get the job.

You don't throttle him to death, drag his body home and feed your family for a week on his remains. A fox would!

[Blink]

Lets hope your reign over earth wont last long then. By this pace you will have destroyed earth in a few years. Only taking up resources and killing species for the fun of it. Its stupid quite frankly but I suppose you humans will never realize that?

Will you stop fucking talking to everyone like you are some higher lifeform?

Not sure if you've noticed but you're arguing on an internet forum in a pathetic manner, so do everyone a favour and be mature about it or you can leave.

Can't you read what forum you're in? Serious Discussion

One more insult at other forum members and I'll ban your arse, that's how simple this is.

[Sorrow]

If your next-door neighbour applies for the same job as you, you outdo him with your CV, prove your skills and so forth. Be the more intelligent being and get the job.

You don't throttle him to death, drag his body home and feed your family for a week on his remains. A fox would!

a fox doesn't need to get a job you nutter.

And the discussion was about fox hunting, those nice little raiding parties that do it all for fun, and all royalty members and everybody with a potato rammed up their throats seem to enjoy it too. Rich people okay, but seriously go buy a boat and sail away or something.
do something that doesn't harm others/animals.

as for the farmer protecting his property, maybe fencing is expensive, but surely you can think of peaceful solutions to this problem? not everything that is a hindrance deserves to die all of a sudden.

[Dionysos]

Lets hope your reign over earth wont last long then. By this pace you will have destroyed earth in a few years. Only taking up resources and killing species for the fun of it. Its stupid quite frankly but I suppose you humans will never realize that?

Actually, you humans have said that for some years now. Also, that "humans" thing of yours makes it seem that somehow you seem to think yourself superior to "humans"/us, which I think is the main point irritating people here.

This is my last post in this thread, really

Edit: Seems my browser was slow, posted this after seeing Blinks post.

[Sorrow]

Its stupid quite frankly but I suppose you humans will never realize that?

lol that looks pretty funny though, you're the all knowing observer from the moon ...God?

[Athlete{UK}]

Ok guys I think Blinks daid what needs to be said. Back to the topic ok?

[Mess]

More foxes get killed on the roads than in foxhunts, and those deaths will probably be alot slower and more painful than asphyxiation/breaking of the neck, which is how most foxes die when attacked by the dogs. Most people are fairly indifferent when they see some roadkill on the side of the road. Is that not as 'inhumane'? Not many people will get up on their high-horses over this... probably because they all drive too.

[Sorrow]

still roadkill is mostly incidental... we don't drive over them for fun do we?

[Mr. Happy]

Anti-social douchebags drive over them fun and Mess, I hope your not arguing that we should try to shoot all the foxes so they dont get run over, as most dont.

Will you guys leave off about the farmers, it makes no sense! Livestock farmers keep their chickens in pens, where they are protected and the fox cant get to them. Crop farmers dont shoot foxes (unless their really stupid) because they are an efficeint form of pest control, protecting the farmers crops. Crop farmers with a few chickens on the side are usually subsitence farmers, and have their chickens in a coop, in a small area, protected by a fence.

If you want to talk about shooting wild dogs that attack sheep, fine, because thats a problem. One of my friends mom has a small farm where their raise sheep for wool for a little cash on the side and shell shoot the dogs that attack them. I personally have no problem with this.


Foxes (to the best of my knowledge) dont attach people. Their fucking afraid of people (tbk)for gods sakes, I dont care how big it is. Actually, they dont get big enough for that (tbk).

As for the steve example, where does he live? Most places in the world had domesticated animals by 1500, making hunting unneccasry. The reason why raising an animal for food and hunting it for food are two different things is that a. the livestocks purpose in life is to feed us, it wouldnt be around unless we need it. b. killing wild animals disrupts the ecosystem. Now you may not think thats a big deal, but you gotta release that its not a food-chain, its a food-web. When one species is affected, it affects all species in the ecosystem, including plant and fungus life. This can eventually lead back to affecting us.

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Alec, whats your opinion on fox hunting?

Why Not?

[dragonfliet]

I figure I'll step into the flame war:

I don't really care what people do, so long as they do with foxes, so long as they do it in moderation.

Honestly, you think a fox would make a kick ass fur scarf, go for it. Want to stuff one because you think it'll look cool? Be my guest. Ever wondered how hard it would be to kill a fox? Why don't you find out?

So long as it doesn't cause a drastic negative effect, what does it matter?

I really tune out people who try their higher morality arguments. Animals are not humans. As such, they do not matter nearly as much as humans do. Humans change the world. This is kind of a defacto statement. We sail the seas, we blast into space, we terraform the earth, creating lakes or filling them in as we need. We cause the ruination of various wildlife habitats, we create new ones. Other animals also change the earth, I would like to point out, not everything lives in lovely lion-lying-with-the-sheep harmony. The world is constantly changing and we are the dominant species, it is our right to change it to our will. Why? Because there's no one to stop us.

That being said, of course we don't want to be silly, of course we should preserve the earth, of course we shouldn't hunt foxes into extinction. These things are detrimental to us.

So again, so long as it's in moderation, go ahead guys, have fun hunting foxes. It does sound like fun.

~Jason

[Spas12]

So long as it doesn't cause a drastic negative effect, what does it matter?

Physical pain for these innocent beings, and in such a strong way some humans defend them, and fight for all animal killing, not just foxes. Honestly, just because you cant feel their physical pain(maybe emotionally too) means you say its "ok" to kill these creatures?

Theres a line between killing for pleasure and killing for need, that need being food to eat in order to live. I for one am against killing any animal for any reasons besides killing for either selling or using it as food. How would you like if someone hunted your species?

I live in New Jersey where hunting is an extremely popular sport, and bears, dears and even foxes are main prey. Even though surrounded by this legal sport, I am still against killing any animal for any reason other than food.

And Dragonfliet you mentioned us being the dominant species. We are, but guess what we also are, NATURE. And guess what animals are, NATURE. Is it wrong for nature to kill nature other then the basic feeding necessity? To me it is, but of course your always entitled to your opinion. Animals and humans, which are just another species, are both still nature. Even though we might be dominant, we must still respect nature and animals. And im not pointing my finger at you in any way, im just speaking generally.

Hunting, just so fucking cruel imo.

[The Watcher]

Hunting, just so fucking cruel imo.

You said it. Killing animals for the sport is just so wrong. I keep saying, I'm fine with hunting as long as if you need the animal for food, or are protecting yourself and everyone else around you.

Wow, this has to be the first Serious Discussion I've gotten so involved in...

[slayera]

b. killing wild animals disrupts the ecosystem. Now you may not think thats a big deal, but you gotta release that its not a food-chain, its a food-web. When one species is affected, it affects all species in the ecosystem, including plant and fungus life. This can eventually lead back to affecting us.

Wrong. With the increase of the human population and lose of habitat, if left unchecked these animals would starve themselves by eating all the food up in unchecked numbers. Here in Wyoming the Fish and Game dept. keeps a very close control on animal populations. If too large they increase the license and too small they decrease it to allow the herd to grow. So some form of control is needed and hunting is it. Also when you get large numbers you can pass sickness and diseases more readily, which can wipe out a large herds in a couple of years, then there is nothing.

So is it better to let animals starve or die from sickness or take them while healthy quick and near painless?

To me personally hunting is a more humane way to deal with it.