So I was Told Today that World War III is going to happen

[Zabiela]

Nuclear bombs are overated they are not as powerful as you think... it is good in clustered areas like new york but not even 20 megatons woul dbe enough to destroy all of nyc...

Well NYC is hugemongous, and you cant deny a nuclear bomb is big, like bigger than anything we can drop on a city.
300,000 dead from hiroshima and nagasaki, and those were ~4 ton bombs. And as you said, we have multiple megatons now. Show me a bomb that can kill 150,000 people in a couple seconds, and i'll give you a cookie

Basically im saying, they're not to be taken as lightly as you make it seem. Take into account nuclear fallout, which results for quite a bit of cancer-related deaths, and the fact that the area is dangerously radioactive for years after.

[tacoboks]

I think your History teacher should be kicked in the nuts and keep his ignorant idealisms to himself.

He has no right saying things like that and scaring children who are there to learn, not hear his ignorant rantings and beliefs that more than likely just a load of crap. I would have gone and got his ass fired if he did something like that to me when I was in school.

We pay him to teach you history, not to teach his preachings of doomsday and the end of the world. This is the EXACT same crap that went on in the 80's and nothing happened. Its just paranoid rantings of obviously idiotic and ignorant person.

That is not history. It hasnt happened and has nothing to do with it.

Report his ass for putting unnecessary fear and teaching using propagandistic idealisms that are not supported by any real and concrete facts that are not actually appropriate for someone at your grade level in the first place. If he wants to run his mouth and spew crap out of it tell him to get a soap box and go on a street corner where someone that is just as nutty as he is might be interested in it.

Fucking idiots in schools these days, no wonder our kids can't get a decent education with ignorant hippies like this asshole scaring our kids to death.

[Zabiela]

Fucking idiots in schools these days, no wonder our kids can't get a decent education with ignorant hippies like this asshole scaring our kids to death.

Im sure the rest of his class was objective, with some outbursts of opinion.
I think you're taking his "history teacher's" opinion a bit too seriously. Teachers are people just like us, and they have their opinions. Im sure, knowing you're making a difference for these kids, you would want to give them a bit of your view of current events. Anyone who believes everything their teacher says, is stupid, as I think you should take it as a secondary opinion and analyse it yourself, and draw your own conclusions from it.
If you're smart enought to do that, you would appreciate your history teacher giving his opinion on the matter. If you, on the other hand, reject his opinion, and condemn him for giving it, you're telling me you cant handle other people's opinions differeing from your own, and you are, in consequence, and idiot, for taking it so.
Accept what he says as another view on the subject matter, and nonetheless, whether you disagree with it or not, use it to build on your knowledge.

And BTW, in this country (the united states of america), anyone can get a decent education if they want to, and are willing to. If anyone isnt getting a good education, its because they're a lazy ass, and deserve no more.

[Mr. Happy]

think your History teacher should be kicked in the nuts and keep his ignorant idealisms to himself.

.....nonsensical ramblings.....

Fucking idiots in schools these days, no wonder our kids can't get a decent education with ignorant hippies like this asshole scaring our kids to death.

First I need to tell a story:

Well, I had to walk away from the computer for bout fifteen minutes to think about what to say, several very anti-happyinducing responses came to mind but, as they say, "anti-happy is just the lack of happy, and happy is always sure to come."

The point is that while I was gone Moondancer came in and read what you had to say; it really upset her. She has just come home from a three day peace murmur at the fountain of hope, and wasn't prepared to be met with such a harsh representation of what she was meditating against.

The tribe quickly got together a hug circle for Moondancer, luckily Cloudtime and Flower had extra henna on hand so we also drew the portent on her.

It was amazing to see her spirit revitalized so quickly as the power of love washed over her, it was a much needed rejuvination as we will be traveling soon to meet with several hundred second-graders to teach them about karma, the energy web, mind-expanding drugs, and how love makes the world go round. Luckily, we have also been asked to educate them on politics and current affairs.

Children need alot of guidance from their elder generations at times like these, and I am glad that I reached the age of teaching before the trip. My role will be minor of course, I will be talking about how evolution is not only a fairly accurate theory, but about how the big-bang radiated kind particles and happy energy to make it happen.

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Time to respond:

History is not times and dates, places and events. History is how the actions of people have influenced the course of human events.

Any good history teacher will teach their course this way, telling you that the most important thing to remember is not when something happened, but why, how, and what effect it had on things to come.

History in academia has two main goals. The lesser of which is to chronicle events. Can you guess what the more important one is? To learn from those events.

Every history teacher will tell you that things happen cyclicly, "everything that has happened before will happen again." When looking over the expansive course of recorded history we see that this is true. Bu why does this matter?

It is because we are meant to learn from past mistakes, and to take those lessons and apply them to the future.

A good history teacher always put's their spin, or opinion, on past events, and always tries to relate them to current events. Saying, "this happened before and it is very similar to what is happening now, meaning THIS may happen."

Still, what seperates a good history teacher from a really good history teacher (at least in this regard) is that they make it clear that these are their views, and they explain their reasoning.

Not only is it important to learn from the lessons of history, it is important to teach them to our children, and to try and make them engaging to learn about. If we don't do this, then they will never learn from our ancestor's mistakes.

To be honest, he sounds more like a college professor than a high school history teacher.

Hegel said, "What experience and history teach is this — that nations and governments have never learned anything from history, or acted upon any lessons they might have drawn from it."

His history teacher is doing a really good job, try ing to move us forward, trying to change that assumption by shaping the minds of the future generation of leaders.

If it was up to you though, he would fail, the learning process of humans as a species and society would halt, and our children's minds would stagnate. It would be the death of humanity.


Why are you trying to kill humanity?

[Sorrow]

Show me a bomb that can kill 150,000 people in a couple seconds, and i'll give you a cookie

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Minuteman_III_MIRV_path.svg

[Mr. Happy]

MIRV's aren't bombs, they're vehicles

jeesh Sorrow, get with it! <3

[Sorrow]

bleeghh okay ... wait a sec

not really practical but it could do the job.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba

[tacoboks]

First of all quoting me and cutting out my comments as nonsensical and leaving my 2 angry statements making it look like I am just some idiot is disregarding my comment entirely and an insult. Who do you think you are that you white wash my comment to suit your needs?

And secondly you said "History is not times and dates, places and events. History is how the actions of people have influenced the course of human events."

Yes , the action of people at times , dates places and events.
his·to·ry /ˈhɪstəri, ˈhɪstri/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[his-tuh-ree, his-tree]
–noun, plural -ries.
1. the branch of knowledge dealing with past events.
2. a continuous, systematic narrative of past events as relating to a particular people, country, period, person, etc., usually written as a chronological account; chronicle: a history of France; a medical history of the patient.

The teacher himself said, according to his post
"Today I was told that World War III was expected to happen this year. "

You said
"A good history teacher always put's their spin, or opinion, on past events, and always tries to relate them to current events. Saying, "this happened before and it is very similar to what is happening now, meaning THIS may happen."


This is nonsense and not at all true or factual. That is not teaching of history. That is a statement based on his opinion.

If he was teaching history and not preaching history, he would have told the class about past events that were similar(as I said the same thing happened in the 1980's) and stated that this was a similar series of events that happened repeating today that could result in a world war(world war 3 if you like).

Not "it will happen this year".

You said

"Still, what seperates a good history teacher from a really good history teacher (at least in this regard) is that they make it clear that these are their views, and they explain their reasoning. "

Obviously he has not done this or not done this well. The original poster seemed to be very concerned and scared of what he was told. He came on here to get some opinions to make sense of it all obviously due to his confusion and fear of this persons statements. A teacher is person who should be a role model and inspire his students through knowledge not preachings and fear.

You said:
"His history teacher is doing a really good job, try ing to move us forward, trying to change that assumption by shaping the minds of the future generation of leaders.

If it was up to you though, he would fail, the learning process of humans as a species and society would halt, and our children's minds would stagnate. It would be the death of humanity.


Why are you trying to kill humanity?"

How is instilling fear and using out of date and most likely inaccurate information from wikipedia changing their minds? How is it that you blame me for pointing out the fact that maybe, just maybe not all teachers are fit to be teachers. This guy seems to be preaching his personal opinion and using half baked and unmethodical rantings to instill his opinion on a class of young impressionable minds.

If anyone should be asking themselves why are you trying to kill humanity it should be you.

It should be you because you accept what you are told and fail to question it. You should question what you are told and find out for yourself above and beyond what he has set down in class whether he was telling it factually or not.

If you don't ever question what your taught or told you will be a mindless drone and the world will not be a better place.

Knowledge is power and to accept anything forthright is ignorance. Seek out the truth and better yourself. A student should surpass his teacher if he truly wants to be a good student and a future leader or teacher.

you said " History in academia has two main goals. The lesser of which is to chronicle events. Can you guess what the more important one is? To learn from those events. "

How do you think this is done? By times, dates events places. All the things you said had nothing to do with it.To disregard the the people, the cultures and the places that these events happened at is disregarding some of the most important things in history. The importance of understanding other cultures , religions and countries will make us understand , appreciate and respect them, even though they are different. Making them a better person. Making them a better leader, teacher or whatever they may pursue in life.

How can you learn not to hate Muslims if you don't learn about them through history? Not all middle easterners are bad Muslims. (just an example as it applies to events now)Using history, and current events teach that they are people to, just like you and I. Despite our cultural differences and beliefs.
You can learn about their rich culture and appreciate them on so many other levels. Not what the news or TV wants you to see. But on a more personable level.
This goes for ANY culture.
This removes ignorance,fear and anger and replaces it with knowledge , respect and intelligence.


So most of your post is worthless. Even more so than my angry rantings. But I have at least taken the time to write a intelligent response and not a half baked one with a pointless story attached to it.

[Mr. Happy]

Thing is, nothing in yout original post was worth reading by anyone, nor did it contain any sort of intellectual discussion.

Every single line was tainted by an ad hominem, and nothing you said even...you didn't say anything!

You haven't said anything still!

All you said is "ZOMG HISTORY TEACHER IS SCARED!"

Even when you tried to point out flaws with my post, you basically just said "you are wrong, this is how it is" but when "this is how it is" it is the same thing as what I said....

FOR EXAMPLE:

How do you think this is done? By times, dates events places. All the things you said had nothing to do with it.To disregard the the people, the cultures and the places that these events happened at is disregarding some of the most important things in history. The importance of understanding other cultures , religions and countries will make us understand , appreciate and respect them, even though they are different. Making them a better person. Making them a better leader, teacher or whatever they may pursue in life.

Your just.....god, this isn't even worth a real response.

Almost nothing you have said is.
You know, look up "war" in the dictionary and you are going to find something worthless. Let me give you a hint, dictionaries are for people with poor vocabularies, ENCYCLOPAEDIAS (and other books) are for people with intelligence.

Also, you make alot of accusations about the teacher that have absolutely no basis. You don't know what the history teacher said, what kind of a person he is, what his biases are, you weren't there. Maybe if you had taken the time to think about these things, and read other posts, you would understand that not only is the discussion not about what the teacher said, but about the issues he raised.

Then there's your last point,

So most of your post is worthless. Even more so than my angry rantings. But I have at least taken the time to write a intelligent response and not a half baked one with a pointless story attached to it.

....you just. God damn man, learn how to have an intelligent discourse. In most circles this invalidates everything you have said. Besides that, you yourself called your post angry, I called them nonsensical rambling. How exactly is that any worse?

Look kid, you are entitled to your opinion, everyone is. You are also entitled to share it! You are not entitled to just pour a bunch of angry, ranting, rambling, nonsensical, unsupported, verbally abusing crap onto a serious topic. Just because your last post was wrong and you say things doesnt mean it is an intelligent response. Please, grow up and try to learn something relevant to the discussion before making a post.

p.s. TAKE THIS ASIDE FROM OUR "DISCUSSION" : please learn to use the [ quote = "" ][ / quote ] tags, it generally makes it hard for people to tell what you wrote and what others wrote when you don't.

[tacoboks]

Basically you are just going to insult me and not comprehend what I have said because you are trying to come off smarter than you think you are.

Because someone uses a dictionary or other reference is not the way to insult someone. It is in fact proof that you are just grasping at straws with a childish insults and remarks because you have nothing more productive to say.

I used references to prove that you were not correct in some of your statements and you retort with childish insults because I am smart enough to use my resources available.

Basically, I am no kid, I am no idiot, I didn't think you were either until your last post.

When you can make an intelligent resourceful response rather than childish remarks and insults, you let me know.

Say what you want , but you have discredited yourself by making childish and inaccurate remarks with no further proof.

Use of dictionary is not proof of a bad vocabulary, I was merely pointing that what you said, according to definition , was not correct. So maybe you should use one, since by your definition, you have a bad vocabulary.

If you think that not learning about cultures and people beyond what the books and someone has told you, then you are ignorant, and the very reason why people become racists and hateful. As a matter of fact, run for president in the US, you talk in circles quite well while making no sense. You would be perfect. We need another idiot in office.

[Mr. Happy]

You know, I could have just started insulting and wildly accusing you of things, but I'm not an asshole. I could have written a thousand pages about this but it would be a waste since no one would read it. What I say is not invalid because I wrote it in a few short sentences.

And I don't see how you can disprove an opinion.....why would you say you disproved me?

Use of dictionary is not proof of a bad vocabulary, I was merely pointing that what you said, according to definition , was not correct. So maybe you should use one, since by your definition, you have a bad vocabulary.

What I meant by that is that the definition isn't imortant in understanding it. The definition is what the word used to describe something means, not what that thing encompasses. Does that make sense to you; did I explain what I meant by that properly?

If you think that not learning about cultures and people beyond what the books and someone has told you, then you are ignorant, and the very reason why people become racists and hateful. As a matter of fact, run for president in the US, you talk in circles quite well while making no sense. You would be perfect. We need another idiot in office.

I have no idea what your talking about......what did I say to make you think that?

Basically you are just going to insult me and not comprehend what I have said because you are trying to come off smarter than you think you are.

What in the....this is what I mean, you are just rambling nonsensically! I never insulted you, and yet you feel justified my comments worthless, half-bakes, saying I'm ignorant, childishcomparing me to a man I hate.....

and basically your entire first post is an insult, not an opinion.

Look, this is serious discussion, and nothing you said was really serious: you basically just made up things about a teacher you never met as a way to discredit him.

You are also acting arrogant, and insulting me. I don't want your insults to become flames, because I don't participate in that shit (try not to anyway) and because it's not allowed here and your posts might be deleted if it happens.



Alot of what you said made me really angry, I could have spouted off like you did in your first post but I didn't, since that's not constructive, and borders on flaming.

Stop this now, please!

[Sorrow]

I hate to break it to ya, but I bet I'm not the only one getting bored of you two fighting like a pair of bitches over a dead body okay?
Let's move along, spray some happyness powder around and either get back to a real discussion or start a completely new one mmmkay?

[tacoboks]

lol sorrow, they just delete this thread. Happy is a moron.

[slayera]

Happy is a moron.

Takes one to know one. You should be careful about calling names.

[Zabiela]

bleeghh okay ... wait a sec

not really practical but it could do the job.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba

Lol obesity bomb.