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Postby DocRock on Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:26 pm

What's your gut feeling after reading this:

Top 40 Reasons to Doubt the Officially Sanctioned Version of What Happened on September 11, 2001

1. The AWOL Chain of Command

It is well documented that the officials topping the chain of command for response to a domestic attack - George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Myers, Montague Winfield - all found reason to do something else during the actual attacks, other than assuming their duties as decision-makers.

Who was actually in charge? Dick Cheney, Richard Clarke, Norman Mineta and the 9/11 Commission directly conflict in their accounts of top-level response to the unfolding events, such that several (or all) of them must be lying.

2. Air Defense Failures and Timelines

The US air defense system failed to follow standard procedures for responding to diverted passenger flights.

The various responsible agencies - NORAD, FAA, Pentagon, USAF, as well as the 9/11 Commission - gave radically different explanations for the failure (in some cases upheld for years), such that several officials must have lied; but none were held accountable.

Was there an air defense stand down?

3. Pentagon Strike

How was it possible the Pentagon was hit one hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began?

Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation's capital?

How did Hani Hanjour, a man who failed as a Cessna pilot on his first flight in a Boeing, execute a difficult aerobatic maneuver to strike the Pentagon?

Why did the attack strike the just-renovated side, which was largely empty and opposite from the high command?

4. War Games

US military and other authorities planned or actually rehearsed defensive response to all elements of the 9/11 scenario during the year prior to the attack - including multiple hijackings, suicide crash bombings, and a strike on the Pentagon.

The multiple military war games planned long in advance and held on the morning of September 11th included scenarios of a domestic air crisis, a plane crashing into a government building, and a large-scale emergency in New York. If this was only an incredible series of coincidences, why did the official investigations avoid the issue? There is evidence that the war games created confusion as to whether the unfolding events were "real world or exercise." Did war games serve as the cover for air defense sabotage, the execution of an "inside job, or both?

5. Flight 93

Did the Shanksville crash occur at 10:06 (according to a seismic report) or 10:03 (according to the 9/11 Commission)?

Does the Commission wish to hide what happened in the last three minutes of the flight, and if so, why?

Was Flight 93 shot down, as indicated by the scattering of debris over a trail of several miles?

6. Possible Smoking Guns

Did cell phones work at 30, 000 feet in 2001?

How many hijackings were attempted?

How many flights were diverted?

7. Demolition Hypothesis

What caused the collapse of a third skyscraper, WTC 7, which was not hit by a plane?

Were the Twin Towers and WTC 7 brought down by explosives? (See "The Case for Demolitions, " the websites wtc7.net and 911research.wtc7.net, and the influential article by physicist Steven Jones. See also items no. 16 and 24, below.)

Foreknowledge and the Alleged Hijackers

8. What did officials know?

How did they know it?

When did they know?

Multiple allied foreign agencies informed the US government of a coming attack in detail, including the manner and likely targets of the attack, the name of the operation (the "Big Wedding"), and the names of certain men later identified as being among the perpetrators.

Various individuals came into possession of specific advance knowledge, and some of them tried to warn the US prior to September 11th.

Certain prominent persons received warnings not to fly on the week or on the day of September 11th.

9. Able Danger, Surveillance of Alleged Hijackers

The men identified as the 9/11 ringleaders were under surveillance for years beforehand, on the suspicion they were terrorists, by a variety of US and allied authorities, including the CIA, the US military's Able Danger program, the German authorities, Israeli intelligence, and others.

Two of the alleged ringleaders who were known to be under surveillance by the CIA also lived with an FBI asset in San Diego, but this is supposed to be yet another a coincidence.

10. Obstruction of FBI Investigations Prior to 9/11

A group of FBI officials in New York systematically suppressed field investigations of potential terrorists that might have uncovered the alleged hijackers, as the Moussaoui case once again showed.

The stories of Sibel Edmonds, Robert Wright, Coleen Rowley and Harry Samit, the "Phoenix Memo, " David Schippers, the 199i orders restricting investigations, the Bush administration's order to back off the Bin Ladin family, the reaction to the "Bojinka" plot, and John O'Neil do not, when considered in sum, indicate mere incompetence, but high-level corruption and protection of criminal networks, including the network of the alleged 9/11 conspirators.

Nearly all of these examples were omitted from or relegated to fleeting footnotes in The 9/11 Commission Report.

11. Insider Trading

Unknown speculators allegedly used foreknowledge of the Sept. 11th events to profiteer on many markets internationally, including but not limited to put options placed to short-sell the two airlines, WTC tenants, and WTC re-insurance companies in Chicago and London.

In addition, suspicious monetary transactions worth hundreds of millions were conducted through offices at the Twin Towers during the actual attacks.

Initial reports on these trades were suppressed and forgotten, and only years later did the 9/11 Commission and SEC provide a partial, but untenable explanation for only a small number of transactions (covering only the airline put options through the Chicago Board of Exchange).

12. Who Were the Perpetrators?

Much of the evidence establishing who did the crime is dubious and miraculous: bags full of incriminating material that happened to miss the flight or were left in a van; the "magic passport" of an alleged hijacker found at Ground Zero; documents found at motels where the alleged perpetrators had stayed days and weeks before 9/11.

The identities of the alleged hijackers remain unresolved, there are contradictions in official accounts of their actions and travels, and there is evidence several of them had "doubles, " all of which is omitted from official investigations.

What happened to initial claims by the government that 50 people involved in the attacks had been identified, including the 19 alleged hijackers, with 10 still at large (suggesting that 20 had been apprehended)?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati ... 50suspects, 0, 1825231.story

The 9/11 Cover-Up, 2001-2006

13. Who Is Osama Bin Ladin?

Who judges which of the many conflicting and dubious statements and videos attributed to Osama Bin Ladin are genuine, and which are fake? The most important Osama Bin Ladin video (Nov. 2001), in which he supposedly confesses to masterminding 9/11, appears to be a fake. In any event, the State Department's translation of it is fraudulent.

Did Osama Bin Ladin visit Dubai and meet a CIA agent in July 2001 (Le Figaro)? Was he receiving dialyses in a Pakistani military hospital on the night of September 10, 2001 (CBS)?

Whether by Bush or Clinton: Why is Osama always allowed to escape?

The terror network associated with Osama, known as the "data base" (al-Qaeda), originated in the CIA-sponsored 1980s anti-Soviet jihad in Afghanistan.

When did this network stop serving as an asset to covert operations by US intelligence and allied agencies?

What were its operatives doing in Kosovo, Bosnia, and Chechnya in the years prior to 9/11?

14. All the Signs of a Systematic Cover-Up

Airplane black boxes were found at Ground Zero, according to two first responders and an unnamed NTSB official, but they were "disappeared" and their existence is denied in The 9/11 Commission Report.

US officials consistently suppressed and destroyed evidence (like the tapes recorded by air traffic controllers who handled the New York flights).

Whistleblowers (like Sibel Edmonds and Anthony Shaffer) were intimidated, gagged and sanctioned, sending a clear signal to others who might be thinking about speaking out, yet officials who "failed" (like Myers and Eberhard, as well as Frasca, Maltbie and Bowman of the FBI) were given promotions.

15. Poisoning New York

The White House deliberately pressured the EPA into giving false public assurances that the toxic air at Ground Zero was safe to breathe.

This knowingly contributed to an as-yet unknown number of health cases and fatalities, and demonstrates that the administration does consider the lives of American citizens to be expendable on behalf of certain interests.

16. Disposing of the Crime Scene

The rapid and illegal scrapping of the WTC ruins at Ground Zero disposed of almost all of the structural steel indispensable to any investigation of the collapse mechanics. (See also item number 23.)

17. Anthrax

Mailings of weapons-grade anthrax, which caused a practical suspension of the 9/11 investigations, were traced back to US military stock.

Soon after the attacks began in October 2001, the FBI approved the destruction of the original samples of the Ames strain, disposing of perhaps the most important evidence in identifying the source of the pathogens used in the mailings.

Were the anthrax attacks timed to coincide with the Afghanistan invasion?

Why were letters sent only to media figures and leaders of the opposition in the Senate who had just raised objections to the USA Patriot Act?

18. The Stonewall

Colin Powell promised a "white paper" from the State Department to establish the authorship of the attacks by al-Qaeda. This was never forthcoming, and was instead replaced by a paper from Tony Blair, which presented only circumstantial evidence, with very few points actually relating to September 11th.

Bush and Cheney pressured the (freshly anthraxed) leadership of the Congressional opposition into delaying the 9/11 investigation for months.

The administration fought against the creation of an independent investigation for more than a year.

The White House thereupon attempted to appoint Henry Kissinger as the chief investigator, and acted to under fund and obstruct The 9/11 Commission.

19. A Record of Official Lies

"No one could have imagined planes into buildings." A transparent falsehood upheld repeatedly by Rice, Rumsfeld and Bush.

"Iraq was connected to 9/11." The most "outrageous conspiracy theory" of all, with the most disastrous impact.

20. Pakistani Connection. Congressional Connection

The Pakistani intelligence agency, ISI, creator of the Taliban and close ally to both the CIA and al-Qaeda, allegedly wired $100, 000 to Mohamed Atta just prior to September 11th, reportedly through the ISI asset Omar Saeed Sheikh (later arrested for the killing of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl, who was investigating ISI connections to al-Qaeda.)

This was ignored by the congressional 9/11 investigation, although the senator and congressman who ran the probe (Bob Graham and Porter Goss) were meeting with the ISI chief, Mahmud Ahmed, on Capitol Hill on the morning of September 11th.


About 25% of the report of the Congressional Joint Inquiry was redacted, including long passages regarding how the attack (or the network allegedly behind it) was financed.

Graham later said foreign allies were involved in financing the alleged terror network, but that this would only come out in 30 years.

21. Unanswered Questions and the Final Fraud" of the 9/11 Commission

The September 11th families who fought for and gained an independent investigation (The 9/11 Commission) posed 400-plus questions, which The 9/11 Commission adopted as its roadmap. The vast majority of these questions were completely ignored in the Commission hearings and the final report.

The membership and staff of The 9/11 Commission displayed awesome conflicts of interest. The families called for the resignation of Executive Director Philip Zelikow, a Bush administration member and close associate of "star witness" Condoleezza Rice, and were snubbed. Commission member Max Cleland resigned, condemning the entire exercise as a "scam" and "whitewash."

The 9/11 Commission Report is notable mainly for its obvious omissions, distortions and outright falsehoods - ignoring anything incompatible with the official story, banishing the issues to footnotes, and even dismissing the still-unresolved question of who financed 9/11 as being "of little practical significance."

22. Crown Witnesses Held at Undisclosed Locations

The alleged masterminds of 9/11, Khalid Sheikh Mohamed (KSM) and Ramzi Binalshibh, are reported to have been captured in 2002 and 2003, although one Pakistani newspaper said KSM was killed in an attempted capture.

They have been held at undisclosed locations and their supposed testimonies, as provided in transcript form by the government, form much of the basis for The 9/11 Commission Report (although the commission's request to see them in person was denied).

After holding them for years, why doesn't the government produce these men and put them to trial?

23. Spitzer Redux

Eliot Spitzer, attorney general of New York State, snubbed pleas by New York citizens to open 9/11 as a criminal case (Justicefor911.org).

Spitzer also refused to allow his employee, former 9/11 Commission staff member Dietrich Snell, to testify to the Congress about his (Snell's) role in keeping Able Danger entirely out of The 9/11 Commission Report.

24. NIST Omissions

After the destruction of the WTC structural steel, the official Twin Towers collapse investigation was left with almost no forensic evidence, and thus could only provide dubious computer models of ultimately un-provable hypotheses.

It failed to even test for the possibility of explosives. Why not clear this up?

25. Radio Silence

The 9/11 Commission and NIST both allowed the continuing cover-up of how Motorola's faulty radios, purchased by the Giuliani administration, caused firefighter deaths at the WTC - once again showing the expendability, even of the first responders.

26. The Legal Catch-22

Hush Money - Accepting victims' compensation barred September 11th families from pursuing discovery through litigation.

Judge Hallerstein - Those who refused compensation to pursue litigation and discovery had their cases consolidated under the same judge (and as a rule dismissed).

27. Saudi Connections

The 9/11 investigations made light of the "Bin Ladin Airlift" during the no-fly period, and ignored the long-standing Bush family business ties to the Bin Ladin family fortune. (A company in which both families held interests, the Carlyle Group, was holding its annual meeting on September 11th, with George Bush Sr., James Baker, and two brothers of Osama Bin Ladin in attendance.)

The issue of Ptech.

28. Media Blackout of Prominent Doubters

The official story has been questioned and many of the above points raised by members of the US Congress, retired high-ranking officers of the US military, the three leading third-party candidates for President in the 2004 election, a member of The 9/11 Commission who resigned in protest, a former high-ranking adviser to the George W. Bush administration, former ministers to the German, British and Canadian governments, the commander-in-chief of the Russian air force, 100 luminaries who signed the "9/11 Truth Statement, " and the presidents of Iran and Venezuela. Not all of these people agree fully with each other, but all would normally be considered newsworthy. Why has the corporate-owned US mass media remained silent about these statements, granting due coverage only to the comments of actor Charlie Sheen?

Geopolitics, Timing, and Possible Motives

29. "The Great Game"

The Afghanistan invasion was ready for Bush's go-ahead on September 9, 2001, with US and UK force deployments to the region already in place or underway.

This followed the failure earlier that year of backdoor diplomacy with the Taliban (including payments of $125 million in US government aid to Afghanistan), in an attempt to secure a unity government for that country as a prerequisite to a Central Asian pipeline deal.

30. The Need for a "New Pearl Harbor"

Principals in US foreign policy under the current Bush administration (including Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle and others) have been instrumental in developing long-running plans for worldwide military hegemony, including an invasion of the Middle East, dating back to the Ford, Reagan, and Bush-41 administrations.

They reiterated these plans in the late 1990s as members of the "Project for a New American Century, " and stated a clear intent to invade Iraq for the purpose of "regime change." After 9/11, they lost no time in their attempt to tie Iraq to the attacks.

31. Perpetual "War on Terror"

September 11th is supposed to provide carte-blanche for an open-ended, global and perpetual "War on Terror, " against any enemy, foreign or domestic, that the executive branch chooses to designate, and regardless of whether evidence exists to actually connect these enemies to 9/11.

32. Attacking the Constitution

The USA PATRIOT Act was written and the Department of Homeland Security and "Shadow Government" were developed long before September 11th , and plans for rounding up dissidents as a means for suppressing civil disturbance have been in the works for decades.

September 11th was used as the pretext to create a new, extra-constitutional executive authority to declare anyone an "enemy combatant" (including American citizens), to detain persons indefinitely without habeas corpus, and to "render" such persons to secret prisons where torture is practiced.

33. Legal Trillions

September 11th triggers a predictable shift of public spending to war, and boosts public and private spending in the "new" New Economy of "Homeland Security, " biometrics, universal surveillance, prisons, civil defense, secured enclaves, security, and so forth.

34. Plundered Trillions?

On September 10, 2001, Donald Rumsfeld announced a "war on waste" after an internal audit found that the Pentagon was "missing" 2.3 trillion dollars in unaccounted assets. On September 11th, this was as good as forgotten.

35. Did 9/11 prevent a stock market crash?

Did anyone benefit from the destruction of the Securities and Exchange Commission offices at WTC 7, and the resultant crippling of hundreds of fraud investigations?

36. Global Resource Wars

What was discussed in the Energy Task Force meetings under Dick Cheney in 2001? Why is the documentation of these meetings still being suppressed? Is Peak Oil a motive for September 11th as inside job?

37. The "Little Game"

Why was the WTC privatized just before its destruction?

38. "Al-CIA-da?"

The longstanding relationship between US intelligence networks and radical Islamists, including the network surrounding Osama Bin Ladin. (See also point 13.4.)

39. Historical Precedents for "Synthetic Terror"

In the past many states, including the US government, have sponsored attacks on their own people, fabricated the "cause for war, " created (and armed) their own enemies of convenience, and sacrificed their own citizens for "reasons of state."

Was September 11th an update of the Pentagon-approved "Project Northwoods" plan for conducting self-inflicted, false-flag terror attacks in the United States, and blaming them on a foreign enemy?

40. Secret Government

The record of criminality and sponsorship of coups around the world by the covert networks based within the US intelligence complex.

The evidence of crime by Bush administration principals and their associates, from October Surprise to Iran-Contra to the S&L plunder to PNAC, Enron, Halliburton and beyond

Reason Number 41

Related Movements and Parallel Issues

Ground Zero Aftermath Movements

Justice for the air-poisoning cover-up (wtceo.org)

Radio Silence (radiosilencefdny.com)

Skyscraper Safety (http://www.skyscrapersafety.org).

Election Fraud and Black Box Voting, 2000 to 2004 (nov9truth.org)

Lies Regarding the Invasion of Iraq (afterdowningstreet.org)

Use of depleted uranium and its multi-generational consequences on human health and the environment.

Longstanding development of contingency plans for civil disturbance and military rule in the USA (see "The War at Home").

Oklahoma City Truth movement (okctruth.org)

Whether you call it "Globalization" or "The New World Order, " its an unsustainable system of permanent growth ultimately requires warfare, fraud, and mass manipulation.

Going Forward...

"But an inside job would involve thousands of people! How could they keep a secret?"

Counter-arguments, red herrings, speculations and false information.

Selected essays, books and websites that make the case for 9/11 as inside job. (See Resources.)

Demanding a real investigation of the September crimes: Not just a patriotic duty, but a matter of survival; your survival and your children’s.

Please research for yourself.


TOP OFFICIALS QUESTION 9/11

Gov. officials speak out regarding 9/11

Colonel Ronald D. Ray (U.S. Marine Corps)

Colonel Ronald D. Ray is a practicing attorney in Kentucky and a highly decorated combat veteran of the Vietnam War (two Silver Stars, a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart.) He served as a Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense during the Reagan Administration and was appointed by President Bush to serve on the American Battle Monuments Commission (1990-1994), and on the 1992 Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces. From 1990 through 1994, he served as Military Historian and Deputy Director of Field Operations for the U.S. Marine Corps Historical Center, Washington, D.C. Colonel Ray, selected for Who's Who in America and in America Law, writes and speaks on a wide range of National Security, Historical, and Constitutional issues and has appeared on a variety of national television news broadcasts: ABC World News Tonight, Larry King Live, Hannity and Combs, Fox and Friends, The Today Show, Fox News, Crossfire, and a number of national radio broadcasts.

"I'm astounded that the conspiracy theory advanced by the administration could in fact be true and the evidence does not seem to suggest that's accurate. . .If the war on terror is real then the first thing that would have happened within a matter of weeks after 9/11 would have been we'd have closed the borders off. . .You have no national security if your borders are not secure." - Colonel Ronald D. Ray

Bill Christison (CIA)

William Christison or Bill Christison and his wife Kathleen Christison worked for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). Bill Christison joined the CIA in 1950, and served on the analysis side of the Agency for 28 years. From the early 1970s he served as National Intelligence Officer (principal adviser to the Director of Central Intelligence on certain areas) for, at various times, Southeast Asia, South Asia and Africa. Before he retired in 1979 he was Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis, a 250-person unit.

"At the Los Angeles meeting of the American Scholars' Symposium, one of the main speakers, Webster Tarpley, summarized his own views on the events of 9/11. He emphasized that "neocon fascist madmen" had perpetrated the 9/11 "myth." He went on to say, "The most important thing is that the 9/11 myth is the premise and the root of the Afghanistan War and the Iraq War and the coming attack on Iran. ... We must ... deprive [the myth's perpetrators] of the ability to stampede and manipulate hundreds of millions of people [with their] ... cynically planned terrorist events."

Let's give Webster Tarpley and other mistakenly labeled conspiracists who have labored in the wilderness for so long three cheers." - Bill Christison

Ray McGovern (CIA)

McGovern was a mid level officer in the CIA in the 1960s where his focus was analysis of Soviet policy toward Vietnam. McGovern was one of President Ronald Reagan's intelligence briefers from 1981-85 when he was in charge of preparing daily security briefs for the President, the Vice President, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Cabinet and National Security Advisor. Later, McGovern was one of several senior CIA analysts who prepared the President's Daily Brief (PDB) for President George Herbert Walker Bush. Upon retirement, McGovern was awarded the Intelligence Commendation Medal from George Herbert Walker Bush (which he later returned) and worked for Washington-based non-profits before becoming co-director of the Servant Leadership School in Washington. McGovern was a graduate, summa cum laude, of Fordham University. A "Distinguished Military Graduate", he served in the US Army from 1962-64 as an intelligence officer. McGovern also received an M.A. in Russian Studies from Fordham University, a certificate in Theological Studies from Georgetown University and was a graduate of Harvard Business School's Advanced Management Program.

Ray McGovern confirmed his support for 9/11 being an inside job by his public endorsement of David Ray Griffin's work on 9/11. Stating that he "used to be an agnostic" on the issue of government complicity until reading The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions.

Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col. (United States Air Force)

Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret. is President of the Institute for Space and Security Studies, Executive Vice President of Millennium III Corporation, and retired Presiding Archbishop of the United Catholic Church. He flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam and directed all the "Star Wars" programs under Presidents Ford and Carter. He is the recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the President's Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Society of Military Engineers' ROTC Award of Merit (twice), six Air Medals, and dozens of other awards and honors. His Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech. He chaired 8 major international conferences, and is one of the country's foremost experts on National Security.

"9-11 is based on a pack of lies. It wasn't misjudgment; it was treason." - Robert Bowman

Morgan O. Reynolds (US Government)

Morgan O. Reynolds is professor emeritus at Texas A&M University and former director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis headquartered in Dallas, TX. He served as chief economist for the United States Department of Labor during 20012002, George W. Bush's first term.

"Occam's razor would suggest that the outward bends in the perimeter columns were caused by explosions from inside the tower rather than bends caused by airliner impact from outside. Also supporting this theory is the fact that the uniformly neat ends of the blown perimeter columns are consistent with the linear shaped charges demolition experts use to slice steel as thick as 10 inches. The hypothesis of linear shaped charges also explains the perfectly formed crosses found in the rubble (crucifix-shaped fragments of core column structures), as well as the rather-neatly shorn steel everywhere." - Morgan Reynolds

Paul Craig Roberts (US Government)

Former Senior Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution, a former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration, and a prolific and popular journalist. He is a former editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal, Business Week, and Scripps Howard News Service. He is a graduate of the Georgia Institute of Technology and he holds a Ph.D. from the University of Virginia. He was a post-graduate at the University of California, Berkeley, and Oxford University where he was a member of Merton College. In 1992 he received the Warren Brookes Award for Excellence in Journalism. In 1993 the Forbes Media Guide ranked him as one of the top seven journalists in the United States.

"I know many qualified engineers and scientists have said the WTC collapsed from explosives. In fact, if you look at the manner in which it fell, you have to give their conclusions credibility." - Paul Craig Roberts

Andreas von BÃlow (German Government)

He served as state-secretary in the German Federal Ministry of Defence (1976-1980) and Minister for Research and Technology (1980-1982), both during the Chancellor Helmut Schmidt administration, and was regarded as a "rising star" of German politics at the time. He served for 25 years as an SPD member of the German parliament (1969-1994). In the late eighties and early nineties, he served on the parliamentary committee on intelligence services ("Parlamentarischer Kontrollausschuss"). This committee supervises German intelligence agencies and has access to classified information. In the early nineties, von Bülow also served as SPD ranking member of the Schalck-Golodkowski investigation committee, a task that first led him to inquire into white collar crime in connection with Eastern intelligence services, and later also into what he labels "criminal activities" of Western intelligence services. His first major publication dealing with this realm, In the Name of the State (German:Im Namen des Staates) is a heavily referenced and extensive study focusing mostly on the CIA. Since leaving the Bundestag, he has largely left the SPD's political loop.

"Well, nobody can prove what happened 9 11 directly because it has been a covert operation and you don't find proof; you will find only indications. And one of the indications- the indication that everything is right with these nineteen people and Usama bin Laden is that the government is free to show all the prove that is on the table that is on the street that lays on the ground of the World Trade Center and so on and so on. If you have a covert operation the probability is always that the leftover pieces of proof are taken away immediately and a lot of secrecy, a band of secrecy, has taken over everything. And, this has happened with 9 11." - Andreas von Bülow

General Leonid Ivashov (Russian Army)

General Leonid Ivashov was the Chief of the Department for General Affairs in the Soviet Union's Ministry of Defense, Secretary of the Council of Defense Ministers of the Community of Independent States (CIS), Chief of the Military Co-operation Department at the Russian Federation's Ministry of Defense, and Joint Chief of Staff of the Russian Armies. He was serving at the time of the 9/11 attacks.

"Osama bin Laden and "Al Qaeda" cannot be the organizers or the performers of the September 11 attacks. They do not have the necessary organization, resources or leaders. Thus, a team of professionals had to be created and the Arab kamikazes are just extras to mask the operation. The September 11 operation modified the course of events in the world in the direction chosen by transnational mafias and international oligarchs; that is, those who hope to control the planet's natural resources, the world information network and the financial flows. This operation also favored the US economic and political elite that also seek world dominance." - General Leonid Ivashov

David Shayler (British Security Service - MI5)

David Shayler was an officer for the British Security Service (MI5) from 1991 1996.

"I've seen the results of terroristic explosions and so on and no terrorist explosion has ever brought down a building. When the IRA put something like a thousands tonnes of home-made explosives in front of the Baltic Exchange building in Bishopsgate and let off the bomb, all the glass came out, the building shook a bit but there was no question about the building falling down and it doesn't obey the laws of physics for buildings to fall down in the way the World Trade Center came down. So you have the comparison of the two, Building 7 compared with the north and south towers coming down and those two things are exactly the same, they were demolished." - David Shayler

9/11 Was carried out by the US GOVT & Osama W BUSH! (War on Terror Is A Scam)

I am going to give reasons proving The U.S. Govt did it, how they did it, and at the end I am going to give reasons why they did it.

1. Operation Northwoods, "N E W Y O R K, May 1, 2001 In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.":
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662 ... 662&page=1

2. Alex Jones Called It: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... dict&hl=en

3. Bin Laden First Said He DID NOT DO IT! Fake Confession Tape?

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/i ... en.denial/ Also see #30

4. At least 4 hijackers turned up alive, but i heard as many as 9

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1558669.stm

5. The melting Point of Steel is 3000F and Fire is around 500-700F with burning Jet fuel around 1200-1400F. Skeptics have claimed, Steel doesnt Have to melt, but only weaken to collpase, This May be true, HOWEVER, It would not make a 1/4 Mile High Skyscraper, Collapse in 9-10 Seconds. 10 seconds Per Floor Collpased, This is Impossible without Bombs.

6. An increase of 400% increase in put options on 9-6-01 and 9-7-01 on serveral airline stocks. An increase of 1100% Increase an in increase of put options on airline stocks on 9-10-01

http://www.hereinreality.com/insidertrading.html

7. FBI confinscated tapes at a nearby hotel and gas station minutes after the "plane" hit the pentagon.

8. Debris from the building was taken and illegally sold to china before anybody could really investigate.

9. If you watch the video of the towers coming down, You can notice bombs going off in the building.

10. Larry Silverstein Admitted blowing up WTC7 On a PBS Documentary. Skeptics Have Claimed He meant He was Pulling the Firefighters From the Building. Thats Funny, I thought When you call a person or persons "him" "them" or "em" not "it". Meanwhile The firefighters Were already Pulled from the Building 7 Houes before it Collpased. Skeptics Have Claimed, Well Maybe he did hit the Dynamite, But It takes severals weeks for them to carefully place explosives in a building. Call any Demolition Company.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ilverstein (30sec)

11. Larry Silverstein got High Insurance on WTC7 Including terrorism insurance.

12. 6 Months Before 9/11 They passed laws saying No pilots can carry guns, when pilots were allowed to carry guns for 40 years. (I am not sure this is 100% Accurate, I need to look into this more. Please Let me know if you find anything.)

UPDATE: It was actually 2 months, not 6! http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=27647

13. As Charlie Sheen said, How can a plane make a 270 degree turn and drop 7000 feet in attitude in less then 2 minutes?

14. I heard it is impossible for cell phones to work on planes moving at 500mph and at 30000 Feet.

15. The "hijackers" said the wrong islamic message when approaching death. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fbP1lvmBY8

16. Survivors and Eye witnesses Reporting seeing, hearing explosions.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... TERS&hl=en Laugh at the Firefighters!!

17. Thermite was found at the scene. BYU Professor Steve E. Jones Have tested Postive some substance for Thermite, It was later Proven to cut the Main Pillars in the World Trade Center. It was the yellow goowy substance Dripping From the towers as CNN, FOX, Etc reported on 9/11/01. Also There was MELTED steel at the bottom of the rubble, The Steel MELTED From the THERMITE, Fire jet fuel can NOT MELT steel. This Is the #1 Piece of Evidence Against our Government and I hope they are brought to Justice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wVLeKwSkXA

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635198488,00.html

18. Janitor was offered Millions of dallors to shut up about the bombs he witnessed going off and he refused. First 5 minutes of the Video Below:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... n+scholars

19. Science Says Buildings Collasping CAN NOT fall at the speed of gravity unless Dynimite.

20. In the New American Century Dick Cheney Said We need a new Pearl Harbor. "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_fo ... an_Century

21. Less then 15 Million Was spend Investigating 9-11 and more then 65 Million on Clinton (Appox)

22. How can a 757 That is 129' Wide Make a 16' Hole? The Pentagon Collpased 30 minutes after impact, making the hole about 75'. Notice how you never see these clips from the media:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiSg6_cMLgo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-_PKPUJqD8

23. Between Both Engines on Flight 77 Or a 757, Its combined weight is 10-12 Tons. It is made of Steel And Titnium. Its melting Point is around 2600F. The Fire didnt get anywhre near that tempurature at the Pentagon. Yet No Engines Were Found.

24. You think fire can cause this?:

http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20060820.htm

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/artic ... m+%2F+News

25. Do you think People in a Cave can get NORAD to Stand down? NORAD Has drills where planes were hijacked and were on course to crash into the World Trade Center and Pentagon. Coincidence? I think not. That is what Cuased NORAD to stand down, Thinking it was just a Drill

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington ... orad_x.htm

26. Jimmy Walter Is offering $100,000 To Anybody Who can Prove 9/11 Was NOT An Inside Job. Even PM Couldnt Stand Up.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=41957

Update: He raised it to $1 Million http://www.reopen911.org

People In Government Accidently Slipped in this Scripted False Flag Terror Plot:

27. Bush saw the first plane hit live on tv:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ower&hl=en (1min)

28. Rumsfeld Says Flight 93 was shot down:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... down&hl=en (30sec)

29. Rumsfeld Says Missle Hit Pentagon - "Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filled with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center"

http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20an ... ht-77.html

30. NYC Mayor Slips- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hNmf76GUCw

And Silverstein Admitted Bombs Brought down WTC7, As I mentioned in Point #10.

31. Those buildings were blown to Dust. No computers, No desks, No Anything, Dust, A naturally collpasing Building Can Not do That.

32. The FBI Has No Hard Evidence Connecting Osama Bin Laden to the 9/11 Attacks.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

33.. People in the Scientific Community Risk there Lives, Jobs, and reputation trying to tell people the inside were an Inside Job:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770

34. The BBC Reported WTC-7 feel 26 minutes before it Actually Did, You can see it standing in the background, while they reported it Collpased:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwOT29gbc

For more evidence watch these films:

Recommended for Beginners:

1. http://www.loosechange911.com

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ange&hl=en (90min)

2. 9/11 Mysteries http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ries&hl=en (90min)

3. Are the Criminals Frightened?: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... frightened

4. C-SPAN conference: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... CAN+C+SPAN (90min)

Recommended for intermediate:

1. TerrorStorm: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6230&hl=en (2hr)

2. Martial Law: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... LICE+STATE (Excellent Film, 2hr)

3. 9/11 the Road to Tyranny: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... anny&hl=en (2hr)

4. Masters of Terror: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... +OF+TERROR (2hr)

4. 9/11 The Greatest Lie ever sold: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... SOLD&hl=en (2hr)

Now I am going to give you why they did it, then i will share some links.

1. Patriot act

2. Patriot act 2

3. Eliminate the Consitution & Bill of Rights

4. Bring forth the NWO and North American Union

5. Bankrupt the USA to bring forth a NWO

6. Scare americans to give up there right in exchange for "security" when you will just get tyranny and a police state.

7. Justify an Iraq and Afganistan Invasion.

8. Bring forth a Real ID Act, which was passed on 5-11-05, and then the "mark of the beast"

9. To Pretty Much Allow Bush to do anything He wants. Look at this:

http://mathaba.net/0_index.shtml?x=504353

10. To allow the Military CommissionsAct of 2006 to Pass, Which Took out 7 Sections of the Bill of Rights. Bringing America Down, Helps Bring in World Government.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15220450/

11. If you Notice Alex Jones speaking at the CSPAN Conference. (Video #5)He says its about World War 3 as well. I dont know to much about this, But If you look at a map. Afganistan is on the Right, Iraq is on the Left, and IRAN Is in the Middle. Once the USA Invades IRAN The US Could control All of the Middle East, and be on the Doorstep with China, for World War 3. According to the Bible 2 Billion+ Will Die (1/3 Population) I have a timeframe of around 2018 (2016-2020) In My Blog Entitled "I know When the End of The Age Begins" Which also connects 9/11 In the End times.

Now if you want links goto http://www.911blogger.com/ and check that out and there are 50 links on the right hand side.

Also check out http://prisonplanet.com http://www.jonesreport.com http://www.infowars.com

This is a pretty cool 1 minute Video, 911 Truther Gets Angry At the NY TIMES: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCSJ9S-D ... ed&search=

Last But not Least:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20 ... ut_911.htm

http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html

Lots Of Skeptics give emailing me junk about PM and Debunking this, with Lies. So here debunks them:

1. Debunking911.com Debunked!http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/debunking_911_website_debunks_itself.htm

2. Popular Mechanics Debunked! http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/Se ... bunked.htm

3. http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net ... 911_morons This idiot, has no argument at all. All he says Is because Dylan Avery, The maker of Loose Change is still alive, Its Because LooseChange is not true. Okay, If anything Happened to any famous 9/11 Truthers, Every skeptic would become a believer and 70+% of Americans Would believe its an inside Job In less then a week. Lots of people arent interested in historians information until they are dead. This guy should be ashsmed of himself for making such a page, Its sad people actually believe this crap. This guy thinks he knows it all. He has no arguement at all. He is conceded and full of it.

4. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... +911&hl=en

These American Hating Nazi's Also have no arguement at all , All they do is Insult Truthers. They say Fire caused the collpase, Like they are some kind of Scientist. Scientists been saying explosives brung down the towers. Skeptics Covered it up.

Hitler Once Said, The Bigger the Lie, The easier it is Believed.

War on terror is a scam!!

"In January of 2003 FBI and CIA whistleblowers told Capitol Hill Blue that the White House was scripting phony terror alerts to maintain hysteria, upkeep President Bushs approval ratings and milk extra defense funding. The report that five Pakistani men had entered the States via Canada and were planning on carrying out a dirty bomb or biological attack was completely conjured up by the Bush administrations black propaganda office. New York Harbor was shut down to visibly pump up the fear. One of the named suspects, Mohammed Asghar (pictured left), was tracked down to Pakistan by the Associated Press. He was a fat guy running a jewellers shop and had never even been to America.

http://infowars.com/articles/sept11/red ... attack.htm

Thank You for reading, We must fight this and expose this and resist The New World Order, and Resist the cashless society.
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Postby zombie@computer on Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:30 pm

lol, you again
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Postby Athlete{UK} on Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:38 pm

Post a link and stop dredging up the same debate we've had a million times.

Really this has been argued about, counter argued and then argued again. This is beating the dead donkey in every sense of the word without actually inflicticing physical dammage onto a deceased ass.

I'm sorry but i'm just going to lock because there will be no serious discussion coming out of this. At all.
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