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Postby Mango on Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:49 pm

Oh, the Telegraph reckons that they do

North Korea missile test 'brings US within range'

By Richard Spencer in Beijing
Last Updated: 12:31am BST 11/06/2004

North Korea has tested an intercontinental ballistic missile engine capable of hitting the United States, according to a South Korean report.


The potential range of the missile was established by American intelligence from scorch marks and other traces of the engine test, the newspaper Joongang Ilbo said, citing diplomatic sources.

It could reach up to 3,700 miles, enough to hit Alaska.
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North Korea is developing a family of long-range missiles called the Taepodong. Taepodong 1 was test-fired over Japan in 1998. It caused consternation, not least because of the determination of the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-il, to pursue a nuclear weapons programme.

The engine test for Taepodong 2 was carried out last month, Joongang Ilbo said. A full missile test - which would cause a diplomatic crisis - would be the next step.

America has been diverted from its attempts to force North Korea to give up its nuclear weapons by the war in Iraq but the possibility of nuclear-armed missiles being aimed at it would provide a new spur to action.


I don't whether the source is trustworhy though.

The BBC go with the slightly more conservative 3500 mile reach. Whether this figures are vastly over inflated or not, I can't say. Although there is this quote:

Pyongyang's missile programme, which has mainly been developed from the Scud missile.

EDIT:

It also appears that the US greenlighted exports to Iraqi Scud Development.
The CD approved exports in January and February to Iraq's SCUD missile program's procurement agency. These exports allowed Iraq to extend SCUD range far enough to hit allied soldiers in Saudi Arabia and Israeli civilians in Tel Aviv and Haifa.


But wait, there's more.

The 1994 Agreed Framework deal, gave North Korea the capacity to generate enough nuclear fuel to produce almost 100 nuclear bombs per year - according to the House North Korea Advisory Group Key Findings:

Through the provision of two light water reactors (LWRs) under the 1994 Agreed Framework, the United States, through KEDO, will provide North Korea with the capacity to produce annually enough fissile material for nearly 100 nuclear bombs, should the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) decide to violate the Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT).


A contract was awarded to an American firm named ABB (Asea Brown Boveri) to deliver equipment and services to build the two light water reactor stations.
http://www.abb.com/global/abbzh/abbzh25 ... abase&db=/
global/ABBZH/abbzh250.nsf&v=c&e=us&c=316DCEEDCA12D32E4125686C00433604

(Sorry link won't format properly :-(

We should probably not be surprised that Donald Rumsfeld was an executive director for ABB from 2000-2001.

Sounds like it's a case of:

We can guess how far it goes, we sold those guys the parts!
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Postby longshanks on Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:06 pm

lol @ bush's response:
http://www.yahoobreakingnews.com/news4.html

Oh noes, we have the S.uperior H.ydrocarbon I.ntegrated T.argeting system!
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Postby Mr. Happy on Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:14 pm

someone went to a lot of effort to fake this, even getting a yahoo clone site :shock:
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Postby Woe Kitten on Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:18 pm

Sadly they didn't go to enough effort to actually proof read their articles before publication!
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Postby vecima on Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:12 pm

Ripper_hugme wrote:...considering that human technology cannot get a regular missle into space...


think again.

I have a secret clearance for my job, which currently involves missile guidance and interception. Missiles have reached space. I'm not really allowed to say any more than that.
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Postby HeadCrab on Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:30 pm

vecima wrote:
Ripper_hugme wrote:...considering that human technology cannot get a regular missle into space...


think again.

I have a secret clearance for my job, which currently involves missile guidance and interception. Missiles have reached space. I'm not really allowed to say any more than that.

That, and if we can get fleshy meat-sacks up there and back down still alive, we can most certainly get a warhead to do the same. Except, when it comes back down, it's supposed to explode at some point, or make something else explode.
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Postby Spas12 on Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:47 pm

lmao, i didnt even beleive that.

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Postby Spartan on Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:56 am

I lol'd

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OP, you're an idiot.
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Postby Sorrow on Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:18 am

Mango wrote:Oh, the Telegraph reckons that they do

North Korea missile test 'brings US within range'

By Richard Spencer in Beijing
Last Updated: 12:31am BST 11/06/2004

North Korea has tested an intercontinental ballistic missile engine capable of hitting the United States, according to a South Korean report.


The potential range of the missile was established by American intelligence from scorch marks and other traces of the engine test, the newspaper Joongang Ilbo said, citing diplomatic sources.

It could reach up to 3,700 miles, enough to hit Alaska.
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North Korea is developing a family of long-range missiles called the Taepodong. Taepodong 1 was test-fired over Japan in 1998. It caused consternation, not least because of the determination of the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-il, to pursue a nuclear weapons programme.

The engine test for Taepodong 2 was carried out last month, Joongang Ilbo said. A full missile test - which would cause a diplomatic crisis - would be the next step.

America has been diverted from its attempts to force North Korea to give up its nuclear weapons by the war in Iraq but the possibility of nuclear-armed missiles being aimed at it would provide a new spur to action.


I don't whether the source is trustworhy though.

The BBC go with the slightly more conservative 3500 mile reach. Whether this figures are vastly over inflated or not, I can't say. Although there is this quote:

Pyongyang's missile programme, which has mainly been developed from the Scud missile.

EDIT:

It also appears that the US greenlighted exports to Iraqi Scud Development.
The CD approved exports in January and February to Iraq's SCUD missile program's procurement agency. These exports allowed Iraq to extend SCUD range far enough to hit allied soldiers in Saudi Arabia and Israeli civilians in Tel Aviv and Haifa.


But wait, there's more.

The 1994 Agreed Framework deal, gave North Korea the capacity to generate enough nuclear fuel to produce almost 100 nuclear bombs per year - according to the House North Korea Advisory Group Key Findings:

Through the provision of two light water reactors (LWRs) under the 1994 Agreed Framework, the United States, through KEDO, will provide North Korea with the capacity to produce annually enough fissile material for nearly 100 nuclear bombs, should the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) decide to violate the Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT).


A contract was awarded to an American firm named ABB (Asea Brown Boveri) to deliver equipment and services to build the two light water reactor stations.
http://www.abb.com/global/abbzh/abbzh25 ... abase&db=/
global/ABBZH/abbzh250.nsf&v=c&e=us&c=316DCEEDCA12D32E4125686C00433604

(Sorry link won't format properly :-(

We should probably not be surprised that Donald Rumsfeld was an executive director for ABB from 2000-2001.

Sounds like it's a case of:

We can guess how far it goes, we sold those guys the parts!


This stuff gets me all horny, the US deserves to get their own shit turned against them lol.
bloody corporate business bullshit.
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Postby Fearian on Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:28 am

this topic is gold.

plus I jsut love the glimpse into Vecima's secret world of espionage and mystery!

you work for a supervillian right? I mean, someones got to develop all their evil technology and stuff. did he/she go for a sixties style lair design? because that would be hawt.
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Postby vecima on Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:36 pm

Fearian wrote:this topic is gold.

plus I jsut love the glimpse into Vecima's secret world of espionage and mystery!

you work for a supervillian right? I mean, someones got to develop all their evil technology and stuff. did he/she go for a sixties style lair design? because that would be hawt.


:lol: sadly, no, i don't work for a super villain. I had sent my resume to Hank Scorpio, but he didn't have an opening that fit my expertise. plus, super villains tend to not bother with a Department of Defense Clearance for their employees.
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Postby Mr. Happy on Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:59 pm

do u work at lockheed?
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Postby Mango on Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:54 pm

Tell them to fix those goddamn lifeboats. What were they thinking?
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Postby firedfns13 on Sun Jun 24, 2007 11:19 pm

XD
HEY at least the US hasnt murdered hundreds of innocent people with our technology.
Plus other western/NATO nations have either bought US exports or developed there own 'clone' tech that operates the same way...
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Postby Head on Sun Jun 24, 2007 11:32 pm

firedfns13 wrote:XD
HEY at least the US hasnt murdered hundreds of innocent people with our technology.
Plus other western/NATO nations have either bought US exports or developed there own 'clone' tech that operates the same way...


Well no usa only killed millions of innocent people

but thats okey your dreamworld is intact.
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