Tolerance

[KILLA-COW]

What are peoples views on this, one example is homoesexuality. Personally I think it is each to their own and I think that some statements people make because of what other people get pleasure out of is frankly repugnant. I mean people should be allowed to make their own educated decisions about everything as long as it doesn't directly harm anyone, I don't see why so many people talk of homosexuals in a derrogatory way when they do nothing to harm anyone else.

Personally I don't see the attraction of such fancies but I do see every day of my life the disgusting attitudes people have toward it. I think this whole tolerance issue is becoming increasingly large amongst todays youth, pretty much every minority is discriminated against for whatever they can possibly think of for a cheap laugh. I think youth need to be taught more tolerance in school, I mean even now in college one of my subject tutors is disgustingly sexist, and she preaches to us about equality and tolerance, whilst she makes blatant sexist remarks at the whole class. I think people in authority should really not have the kind of prejudices they do in Britain, it's like the police force and the government, they all preach this doctrine of tolerance yet they all have these obvious underlying prejudices.

I guess this is the way the world will always work, what is everyones elses views??

[Mr. Happy]

I think most of the world's societies have made a large push towards true equality. It's not quite there yet, but the ball is rolling and just needs a little nudge now and then. It's a lot better now than it was ten years ago, and it was alot better ten years ago then twenty, and so on.

Four, five generations with the occassional prodding as happens now and it bigotry and intolerance could be nothing but a bad memory in my country. Course, it'll prolly be around forever, but it should be too long (relatively speaking) until the bigots are the ones whom are "queer."

[Garrador]

I'm personally not for homosexuals, not in the way that I dont want to be one, its not a choice they say? Sure, fair enough.

I mean in the way that its not right.
I dont think its right, and that it is not meant to be that way.

Thats just my inner thoughts.
I have nothing against the person who is gay, I never confront them with anything. I just accept it.

[Woe Kitten]

I wish I could agree with you on that Happy. Here in England we're seeing more and more racist opinions aired publicly. Racists all over the world are exploiting terrorism to stir up mistrust and the battle lines are being drawn everywhere.

I just wish that people could see that terrorism has nothing to do with race and everything to do with racism and economic oppression.

Gun crime is another big issue in this country. I'm hearing more and more people tentatively spreading the view that gun crime is the result of black people, and if we only had tighter immigration laws we'd be alright. I won't deny that there are problems in black culture but how about we take a look at what causes those problems, rather than just steriotyping?

Another thing that's really getting me down is people pulling the 'anti-PC' card. Any time you try to point out that anything is potentially racist you are immediately confront with a chorus of 'Your just being PC and all this PC nonsense is messing up our country'.

Well first up, political correctness is a good thing. If you can do something in a way that doesn't offend people's cultural and political views you should try to do so. We are always reading in the (right-wing) tabloid 'newspapers' about cases of political correctness gone mad. But more often than not these are individual cases that have been blown way out of proportion (or even largely fabricated) in order to prove a point and generate hatred and fear, because hatred and fear are what sells newspapers.

When was the last time you personally had your legal rights restricted by a politically correct law? I know that some people will quote smoking on this one, but that's not political correctness. You have an addiction that causes physical harm, not just to yourself but to others, those others have a right not to be harmed by you. That's not political correctness, it's common sense.

/rant

[Cardboard]

I'm personally not for homosexuals, not in the way that I dont want to be one, its not a choice they say? Sure, fair enough.

I mean in the way that its not right.
I dont think its right, and that it is not meant to be that way.

Thats just my inner thoughts.
I have nothing against the person who is gay, I never confront them with anything. I just accept it.

So you´re not "against them". You´re just "not for them".

[Blink]

Well, here is my honest view.

I don't hate any person enough to do something about it, such as beating up a gay or swearing at a black guy but in my own personal time I do have views on these people that aren't "PC".

Everyone has racist or homophobic thoughts and it's bullshit if you think you don't.

I call my mates "gay" or "fag" as a put down, it makes me laugh, they laugh. I joke about AIDS and other things. I make black jokes as well, I don't do any of this stuff to the people who it directly relates to because I'm not that much of a cunt, but I like to make fun of it. Even Killa-Cow admitted to laughing hard at an image in the Steam Chat last night, it was a racist joke image and there were a few lol's floating around.

Were we heading out with pitchforks to burn the nearest black guy? Nope, it's just funny - no matter what PC twats try to say.

Offensive jokes are something I find very funny, end of.

I have stereotypical views to Muslims for example, I see one get on the tube with a bag and I'm wary about being blown off the planet. "Not all muslims are terrorists!" the cries will be. Well yeah, but the only people that are suicide bombers are muslims so my view is shaped by their actions. Impossible to be PC no matter what people think.

Gays also, I have no personal problem with them it's the way they think they need to fucking act sometimes, like that Britney twat who cried on youtube. I just wanted to beat the shit out of him, not because he was gay, but because he was using it as an excuse to be a stupid attention whore.

Why can't people be gay without the whole high-pitched voice and stupid mannerisms. Some people are homosexual and you could never tell so I don't see why everyone can't be, it's treated like a fad almost.

To summarise my post, people are intolerant, people are racist and people are homophobic, it's human nature. But sane minded individuals know when it's a joke amongst friends or if it's beating someone up over it, and hopefully don't do the latter.

[KILLA-COW]

Well, here is my honest view.

I don't hate any person enough to do something about it, such as beating up a gay or swearing at a black guy but in my own personal time I do have views on these people that aren't "PC".

Everyone has racist or homophobic thoughts and it's bullshit if you think you don't.

I call my mates "gay" or "fag" as a put down, it makes me laugh, they laugh. I joke about AIDS and other things. I make black jokes as well, I don't do any of this stuff to the people who it directly relates to because I'm not that much of a cunt, but I like to make fun of it. Even Killa-Cow admitted to laughing hard at an image in the Steam Chat last night, it was a racist joke image and there were a few lol's floating around.

Were we heading out with pitchforks to burn the nearest black guy? Nope, it's just funny - no matter what PC twats try to say.

Offensive jokes are something I find very funny, end of.

I have stereotypical views to Muslims for example, I see one get on the tube with a bag and I'm wary about being blown off the planet. "Not all muslims are terrorists!" the cries will be. Well yeah, but the only people that are suicide bombers are muslims so my view is shaped by their actions. Impossible to be PC no matter what people think.

Gays also, I have no personal problem with them it's the way they think they need to fucking act sometimes, like that Britney twat who cried on youtube. I just wanted to beat the shit out of him, not because he was gay, but because he was using it as an excuse to be a stupid attention whore.

Why can't people be gay without the whole high-pitched voice and stupid mannerisms. Some people are homosexual and you could never tell so I don't see why everyone can't be, it's treated like a fad almost.

To summarise my post, people are intolerant, people are racist and people are homophobic, it's human nature. But sane minded individuals know when it's a joke amongst friends or if it's beating someone up over it, and hopefully don't do the latter.

Yeah I think it's all fun and games when it's a joke between mates but it does get taken further than that these days, I mean when people on the street are just being singled out and publically humiliated it has gone too far.

I think theres a big difference to being intolerant and to having a laugh with mates. I don't think just because you joke around calling mates gay and stuff (which I think it's ludicrous to suggest anyone doesn't) but that isn't the same as people who are intolerant of others, the intolerant ones are the ones who have these really opinionated sick views on minorities.

I do agree with PC though, I think that to an extent has become out of control, even adverse, everyone is trying to be so correct and PC the people who we are being PC toward must feel pretty patronised, I mean in books in schools you always have, Amar, Jack, Jankita and Joan, that kind of thing is ridiculos its like they are trying to indoctrinate people, its not racist to have pictures of only one certain race, racist is the people who beat people up on the streets and shout abuse at them.

I think putting everything into perspective is pretty important when we consider such points.

[Garrador]

Well, here is my honest view.

I don't hate any person enough to do something about it, such as beating up a gay or swearing at a black guy but in my own personal time I do have views on these people that aren't "PC".

Everyone has racist or homophobic thoughts and it's bullshit if you think you don't.

I call my mates "gay" or "fag" as a put down, it makes me laugh, they laugh. I joke about AIDS and other things. I make black jokes as well, I don't do any of this stuff to the people who it directly relates to because I'm not that much of a cunt, but I like to make fun of it. Even Killa-Cow admitted to laughing hard at an image in the Steam Chat last night, it was a racist joke image and there were a few lol's floating around.

Were we heading out with pitchforks to burn the nearest black guy? Nope, it's just funny - no matter what PC twats try to say.

Offensive jokes are something I find very funny, end of.

I have stereotypical views to Muslims for example, I see one get on the tube with a bag and I'm wary about being blown off the planet. "Not all muslims are terrorists!" the cries will be. Well yeah, but the only people that are suicide bombers are muslims so my view is shaped by their actions. Impossible to be PC no matter what people think.

Gays also, I have no personal problem with them it's the way they think they need to fucking act sometimes, like that Britney twat who cried on youtube. I just wanted to beat the shit out of him, not because he was gay, but because he was using it as an excuse to be a stupid attention whore.

Why can't people be gay without the whole high-pitched voice and stupid mannerisms. Some people are homosexual and you could never tell so I don't see why everyone can't be, it's treated like a fad almost.

To summarise my post, people are intolerant, people are racist and people are homophobic, it's human nature. But sane minded individuals know when it's a joke amongst friends or if it's beating someone up over it, and hopefully don't do the latter.

Much agreed with all of it, and the gay part: Exactly.

[Sathor]

I don't care whether someone is homosexual, transsexual, or anything of that kind, unless they behave silly ... many "normal" people behave silly, too. I don't like those either, makes no difference to me. ^^

[Cardboard]

I think that´s the problem here. As soon as somebody has an attribute that is besides the norm - such as being gay - then negative behavior shown by them is projected onto this attribute. For example this crying Britney guy was clearly a moron but this has nothing to do with him being gay. He´d be a fucking moron if he was as straight as an M16s barrel.
On the other hand no one ever says:" I don´t have anything against straight people but i don´t understand why they have to be illiterate, war mongering, blithering idiots like Gorge W. Bush."
In this case most people suddenly recognize that behavior has little if nothing to do with certain attributes even though this statement uses precisely the same logic.

[punky]

I think it is okay to joke about this sorts of things with your friends because you and your friends now that you don't mean what your saying but i realy hate people that are taunting for example black people by calling names at them . its ok to make jokes about it with your friends but when it gets personal or when you hurt the people where your "joking" about its not funny anymore .

[Dionysos]

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To summarise my post, people are intolerant, people are racist and people are homophobic, it's human nature. But sane minded individuals know when it's a joke amongst friends or if it's beating someone up over it, and hopefully don't do the latter.

Agreed.

Also, people should always know to understand the difference between approving and tolerating. You dont have to "approve" of gays while still tolerating them by accepting and not harming them etc. Im personally not against gays, just btw.

I also do "make fun of minorities", obviously I dont rip jokes about people that are currently present because Im not out to hurt them, and I understand that they might get hurt.

Everyone should see the SP episode on this

[Emazing]

Tolerance is an enormous subject, and rather then try to broadly approach the topic, I will simply reply to and expand upon some of the opinions already expressed by others here.

Firstly, I agree that the world is slowly becoming more tolerant. Not everywhere and not everyone, but as a whole, we are slowly moving in the right direction. I believe that a lot of this is attributed to the information age we live in. Intolerance springs from unfamiliarity. It's tougher to be unfamiliar with things when we're exposed to so many different people in so many different settings. Taking homosexuality as an example, since it's been brought up already, less young people are intolerant towards homosexuals because more young gays are opening up about their orientation while they're still in high school. This provides a medium where heterosexuals and homosexuals are forced to interact, and the would-be intolerant end up realizing the homosexuals are not so different then they are.

Secondly, I agree that everyone has intolerant thoughts, and anyone who says they don't is not being honest. It is inevitable. Living downtown, I often walk places. When I come across someone that I feel looks scary (EG, a black guy in baggy clothes), I am genuinely fearful. My disposition towards that person will be guarded and suspicious should they talk to me. I may cross the street so I don't have to walk past them. I will tightly tuck my purse under my arm. If I'm wearing something revealing I will attempt to cover up.

The irony in this is that no black guy wearing baggy clothes has ever harmed me. Even so, I still exhibit intolerance towards them. This brings us back to my earlier assertion that the information age is decreasing intolerance, because it can also increase it. My fear of black guys in baggy clothes is a sad bi-product of the media bombarding me with messages about crimes committed by minorities. What can I do about it? I can't just say, "I'm not going to feel scared the next time I pass a black guy wearing baggy clothes on the street." I'm stuck with these intolerant feelings even though I don't want to have them. Of course, I do my best to not act with prejudice towards them should we interact, but it is a difficult thing to do.

Thirdly, I don't think there's anything wrong with cracking jokes that target a specific race, orientation, gender, etc, as long as the intent is not to harm. Some of my favorite jokes are racist jokes, and I much enjoy calling my guy friends gay whenever I get the chance, just because most guys are so adamant about the fact that they are 110% straight. I don't really have anything against other races (aside from the aforementioned, which is instinctive/sub-conscious), and I've obviously got no qualm with gays.

And finally, while it's somewhat off-topic, perhaps I can lend some credible perspective in regards to homosexuals 'acting gay'. Some people (EG, the "Leave Britney Alone!" guy) clearly do 'act gay' for attention. Some less extreme examples of homosexuals 'acting gay' include men who speak/act effeminately, and women who sport buzz-cuts and baggy clothes. The gay guys and girls who do these things are generally not doing so to stand out, but to fit in with other people like them. When a part of you has such a significant impact on your life, associating and identifying with other people who share that trait in common with you can be very important to people. This is true with everything, not just homosexuality. Not all homosexuals need to 'act' gay, because not all homosexuals want or need to identify with other homosexuals. It's pretty much like some punk-rockers feel the need to spike their hair and dye it blue, and cover their bodies in tattoos and piercings. Others are content with a clean-cut look. The punk-rockers who opt for the latter are choosing to outwardly identify with some aspect of themselves as well, just not their love for punk-rock.


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[Mr. Happy]

I have racist thoughts sometimes, usually every week at the gas station when the crack-heads ask me for money.

I think the greatest expression of tolerance and whatnot is the jokes you make to your friends, about your friends. I've made wop jokes to my Italian friend and Kyke jokes about my Jewish friends, poor jokes about my poor friends and rich jokes about my rich friends, to their faces, about them, and it's funny, and they do it to me. Because we aren't bigoted and we grew up in schools that vomited PC and tolerance all over you so we don't give a fuck. You make fun of people for what makes them different, thats whats funny, and it's not meant to be mean.

But I still can't make jokes about/with my black friends :/ ......yet


As soon as I can make a ..can't say it.. joke to my black friends without anger flung back at me I will know that the racism is gone. Actually, I can on that rare occassion that everyone knows its funny and it tottally fits.

I've made some progress getting some girls to accept that I can call them cunts and its funny.

yay



I don't think there's anything wrong with being afraid around a certain kind of person if you know that you really shouldn't. If you know that they are human.



Chew on this: Steroetypes begin because they are true to the experience of those that created them.

and women who sport buzz-cuts and baggy clothes.

I thought they did that to be hot, I guess that's why they all turn me down. damn my deviant lusts

[SlappyBag]

I won't add much to this post because most of my views have been expressed in other peoples posts.

I'd just like to say, I do have a problem with transexuals. I mean, wtf do I call them? Man or Machine? I mean, man or women? It's disgusting. As muchas I'd love to magically turn into a hot smoking lubed up lesbian blonde, it aint going to happen. I'd rather be a sexy guy then a fucking ugly 1/2 girl.

Urgh.