Tolerance

[KILLA-COW]

I won't add much to this post because most of my views have been expressed in other peoples posts.

I'd just like to say, I do have a problem with transexuals. I mean, wtf do I call them? Man or Machine? I mean, man or women? It's disgusting. As muchas I'd love to magically turn into a hot smoking lubed up lesbian blonde, it aint going to happen. I'd rather be a sexy guy then a fucking ugly 1/2 girl.

Urgh.

And 'lo the point is proven, that is intolerance, that just shows that you don't understand that not everyone has the same opinions as you and whilst you're entitled to your own opinions such strong and brash ones are not benficial.

'It's disgusting'

You're talking like it's fact, do you think if you asked them then they'd say its disgusting?? We've all got different views you don't have to agree with everything everyone does but you don't have to speak in such a way about other peoples opinions. Live and let live.

[Ripper_hugme]

This shocked me when I saw it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qVKMn2nDQM

[SlappyBag]

I won't add much to this post because most of my views have been expressed in other peoples posts.

I'd just like to say, I do have a problem with transexuals. I mean, wtf do I call them? Man or Machine? I mean, man or women? It's disgusting. As muchas I'd love to magically turn into a hot smoking lubed up lesbian blonde, it aint going to happen. I'd rather be a sexy guy then a fucking ugly 1/2 girl.

Urgh.

And 'lo the point is proven, that is intolerance, that just shows that you don't understand that not everyone has the same opinions as you and whilst you're entitled to your own opinions such strong and brash ones are not benficial.

'It's disgusting'

You're talking like it's fact, do you think if you asked them then they'd say its disgusting?? We've all got different views you don't have to agree with everything everyone does but you don't have to speak in such a way about other peoples opinions. Live and let live.

I was never enforcing my views, I'd never insult somebody because of that I was just expressing them. As you say, everybody has different views on life and therefore you can't call me on mine.


LOOP HOLE!!!

[Sorrow]

I honestly couldn't care less if you were trans/homo/bi/whatever sexual, black/yellow/brown/pink/pale as death or whatever.
As long as you hold the same views or are generally nice to people then you're alright I suppose.

What I do find slightly irritating is the fact that well there's a gay kid in my class and he has that 'ARRRRRRRR' I dunno what it's like exactly, anyhow it's that standard "whiny" gay accent that they adopt for some reason.
No need to do that imo.
can't say why or how but that's just irritating.

[Dionysos]

I won't add much to this post because most of my views have been expressed in other peoples posts.

I'd just like to say, I do have a problem with transexuals. I mean, wtf do I call them? Man or Machine? I mean, man or women? It's disgusting. As muchas I'd love to magically turn into a hot smoking lubed up lesbian blonde, it aint going to happen. I'd rather be a sexy guy then a fucking ugly 1/2 girl.

Urgh.

And 'lo the point is proven, that is intolerance, that just shows that you don't understand that not everyone has the same opinions as you and whilst you're entitled to your own opinions such strong and brash ones are not benficial.

'It's disgusting'

You're talking like it's fact, do you think if you asked them then they'd say its disgusting?? We've all got different views you don't have to agree with everything everyone does but you don't have to speak in such a way about other peoples opinions. Live and let live.

And 'lo hes not intolerant for having an opinion. He would be if he "acted" on it. As he said.

[Blink]

And 'lo hes not intolerant for having an opinion. He would be if he "acted" on it. As he said.

I agree there, the problem is people all have different ideas of what PC and 'being tolerant' actually means.

[Athlete{UK}]

Everyone has stereotypical thoughts. You can't control them. Someone says gay to me despite however many gay friends I have the first thing I think of is what can only be described as a faggot mincing around with a fucking fairy stick or crying over some shite film. Or muslim first thing that pops into my head in the stereotypical muslim.

Like Blink says you're a lying bastard if you pretend this never happens or you never have these thoughts. The difference between cunts and normal people is in what happens next.

I think these things but I know they are wrong. I know they are unfounded and untrue and I know they are offencive. I also don;t believe in any of these thoughts. Thoughts are one thing but having the intellegence and maturity to know the deviding line between what is true and real is difference.

Having said that. Unpc jokes are funny in most instances and quite frankly being able to laugh at them and not be a raving retarded nazi (again not believing the jokes) just shows someone is comfortable with said minority not that they hate them.

Equally If someone goes out of the way to say "OMG YOU CAN'T SAY THAT!" it just shows they aren't comfortable.

[KILLA-COW]

I won't add much to this post because most of my views have been expressed in other peoples posts.

I'd just like to say, I do have a problem with transexuals. I mean, wtf do I call them? Man or Machine? I mean, man or women? It's disgusting. As muchas I'd love to magically turn into a hot smoking lubed up lesbian blonde, it aint going to happen. I'd rather be a sexy guy then a fucking ugly 1/2 girl.

Urgh.

And 'lo the point is proven, that is intolerance, that just shows that you don't understand that not everyone has the same opinions as you and whilst you're entitled to your own opinions such strong and brash ones are not benficial.

'It's disgusting'

You're talking like it's fact, do you think if you asked them then they'd say its disgusting?? We've all got different views you don't have to agree with everything everyone does but you don't have to speak in such a way about other peoples opinions. Live and let live.

And 'lo hes not intolerant for having an opinion. He would be if he "acted" on it. As he said.

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n·tol·er·ance (plural in·tol·er·ances)


noun
Definition:
 
1. refusal to accept differences: unwillingness or refusal to accept people who are different from you, or views, beliefs, or lifestyles that differ from your own

You can be intolerant without acting upon something, it's an attitude, where you don't accept those different from you, an opinion is fair, such strongly worded opinions are intolerant. How would that make someone feel to read??

[Dionysos]

Imo that definition is false. When you tolerate something, it is an act in itself. Thinking may be construed as an act, but I mean acts in the physical world. Its NOT an attitude (of course if you insist on that no matter what due to your definition we wont get anywhere). If I would hate gays for instance, and I would sit next to a gay and hit him in the face or try to kill him because of it, I would be intolerant to him being gay. If I hate gays and dont hit him but just sit there and leave him be, I might have *intolerant thoughts* but Im being tolerant of him, I am tolerating his being there.

If you accept that last bit, that one is tolerating something by letting something be, but still insist that you are intolerant by thinking that it shouldnt, then you would also say one can be intolerant and tolerant at the same time, which imo is bullocks.


As to your "worded opinions";
If I was gay, and somebody would write gay jokes on a forum I might get hurt. I would still let them go ahead because they have the right to utter gay jokes on a forum (if the forum admin allows them), due to free speech and all. I would not be against gay jokes AS LONG as people avoid saying them directly to me or in my close proximity to consciously hurt me or make me feel bad. And jokes arent even necessarily opinions.

Pure opinions should be allowed to be voiced. Period. Its of course something else when they are deliberately uttered to demean someone, but in general opinions are enveloped by the right to free speech. Even if theyre strong. People should be allowed to say that Hitler was great, people might feel bad, it might be wrong, but thats the way freedom of speech works. You might say something undoubtedly true and some crazy sect gets really hurt because it doesnt fit into their crazy religion, but they cannot forbid you to say it.

Wiki:

Intolerance is the lack of ability or willingness to tolerate something.

That fits my *opinion* on the definition of (in)tolerance a little better, although the "willing" part is a little sketchy. When you are unwilling you usually dont, which I interpret as act, and thus the definition shouldnt be formed like this either.

Imo it should be "Intolerance is not to tolerate" or something. And "Tolerance is to allow something to happen or allow someone to be or commit certain actions". Obviously defining tolerance in a proper way is a little harder


PS:Arg, too much writing too little working!

[SlappyBag]

I won't add much to this post because most of my views have been expressed in other peoples posts.

I'd just like to say, I do have a problem with transexuals. I mean, wtf do I call them? Man or Machine? I mean, man or women? It's disgusting. As muchas I'd love to magically turn into a hot smoking lubed up lesbian blonde, it aint going to happen. I'd rather be a sexy guy then a fucking ugly 1/2 girl.

Urgh.

And 'lo the point is proven, that is intolerance, that just shows that you don't understand that not everyone has the same opinions as you and whilst you're entitled to your own opinions such strong and brash ones are not benficial.

'It's disgusting'

You're talking like it's fact, do you think if you asked them then they'd say its disgusting?? We've all got different views you don't have to agree with everything everyone does but you don't have to speak in such a way about other peoples opinions. Live and let live.

And 'lo hes not intolerant for having an opinion. He would be if he "acted" on it. As he said.

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n·tol·er·ance (plural in·tol·er·ances)


noun
Definition:
 
1. refusal to accept differences: unwillingness or refusal to accept people who are different from you, or views, beliefs, or lifestyles that differ from your own

You can be intolerant without acting upon something, it's an attitude, where you don't accept those different from you, an opinion is fair, such strongly worded opinions are intolerant. How would that make someone feel to read??

The thing is, I do accept them, I just think they are a bit weird and personally think they are "wrong" so to speak, I still have to accept them as that though.

[Athlete{UK}]

It's quite obvious really. intolerant means you don't tolerate someone. Whether you act on that or not you just can't tolerate them.

[Penney]

Not to sound stupid, but shouldn't people tolerate one dumb fucks verbal abuse as well?

If we truly lived in nations of free speech then shouldn't everyone be entitled to their own thoughts threw speech?

Of course these aren't nations of free physical abuse so a beat down on a black, Muslim or gay just isn't right.

But If I'm sitting on the bus and IF I were gay and someone just sat there bashing me repetitiously, obviously it shows that persons character to not just me, but everyone else on the bus, who with me, will think much less of that person. Plus I usually have an MP3 player anyways so fuck that noise.

And if that person followed me around all day verbally abusing me then that person is obviously fucking dumb, wasting precious time to ratify their views against me or the colour of my skin or the colour of my hair for that sake, go get a job or a better life or just something more productive to do.

But yeah if they physically abuse you, that has nothing to do with tolerance, that's a racial/hate crime and is punishable by law.

Don't know if that has any relevance.

[Khaeotixs]

I wish I could agree with you on that Happy. Here in England we're seeing more and more racist opinions aired publicly. Racists all over the world are exploiting terrorism to stir up mistrust and the battle lines are being drawn everywhere.

I just wish that people could see that terrorism has nothing to do with race and everything to do with racism and economic oppression.

Gun crime is another big issue in this country. I'm hearing more and more people tentatively spreading the view that gun crime is the result of black people, and if we only had tighter immigration laws we'd be alright. I won't deny that there are problems in black culture but how about we take a look at what causes those problems, rather than just steriotyping?

Another thing that's really getting me down is people pulling the 'anti-PC' card. Any time you try to point out that anything is potentially racist you are immediately confront with a chorus of 'Your just being PC and all this PC nonsense is messing up our country'.

Well first up, political correctness is a good thing. If you can do something in a way that doesn't offend people's cultural and political views you should try to do so. We are always reading in the (right-wing) tabloid 'newspapers' about cases of political correctness gone mad. But more often than not these are individual cases that have been blown way out of proportion (or even largely fabricated) in order to prove a point and generate hatred and fear, because hatred and fear are what sells newspapers.

When was the last time you personally had your legal rights restricted by a politically correct law? I know that some people will quote smoking on this one, but that's not political correctness. You have an addiction that causes physical harm, not just to yourself but to others, those others have a right not to be harmed by you. That's not political correctness, it's common sense.

/rant

TBH, a lot of "racism" arises because the government decides to give other ethnicities/religions/cultures much higher precedence over our own. For example, 90% of white Britain is catholic or similar. However, the "minorities" are being given more and more power and we white, straight males are being given a shit time of it. It would be called bullying if it was the other way round in school, but
A) we're not in school
B) we never have a chance in hell of having it the other way round.

So much racism and prejudice arises because a government tells us what to do and creates hate by doing it. They should just recind all anti-sexism laws etc as the peoples are much more tolerant nowadays. And being punished for something just makes it more of a thrill to actually do the deed.

[DrGlass]

I think Penney hit the nail on the head.

Personally I don't have strong negative thoughts about any group of people apart from radical people. I do have implanted fears of people based on race, religion, etc. but I understand that those are created by society. So I don't dwell on them.

Tolerance is acknowledgment that people are different but are still worth the same. For instance a Zionist and a member of the KKK. I don't agree with them, but they have the right to their opinion as misguided and wrong as I may think.

Now is this world tolerant? NO

Until Religion and Nationalism are abolished there will be no universal tolerance. Both breed intolerance by stating that there is a difference between you and someone else. Think about it, when one US solider dies in Iraq it is a big deal (or it was) but when 200 Iraqi's die its at the bottom of ticker tape on CNN. That is F**KED UP, that is SO F**KING F**KED UP. To place on human above another in worth is my idea of intolerance.

What someone does, believes, thinks, feels, how they look, how they live should not affect their value as a fellow human. But it does, in a huge way. Yeah maybe you don't go beating up fags but if you view them as somehow less than human well that is intolerant... but if I judge you on that fact then I'm in the same boat.

So I guess intolerance is an inevitable fact of life?

[MayheM]

Wow cant believe i missed this thread...

Ok so if you look an inch over to the left you will see i live in the city that is known for its gay population. I am not one of them, just so you know...

Ok so I have been exposed to a lot in the past few months of living here. The biggest thing I really have an issue with is the fact that so many gay couples have adopted children. Now it is one thing for two consenting adults to choose to have a relationship with each other. But i think it is putting the child in an awkward situation. Even with things being more and more tolerant. Children in that situation do not have a "normal" upbringing. I am not saying that two men together can not be great parents. however, if two men are raising a boy, they see things in a different way, they see dad and dad, not mom and dad. Kids can be cruel as well. I hate to think of the crap kids have to deal with when having to parents of the same sex. It is hard enough growing up with regular parents...

Other then that I am generally annoyed by gay pride banners, I don't care about them being gay to each his own, but you don't see me wearing straight pride t shirts or coming up with some flag to contrast the rainbow flag as the straight lifestyle symbol.

I know a girl who when i first met her I was at a party and her and I were talking. After about an hour I said, hey you seem like fun, you and I should get together some time. Her answer to me was strange to say the least... "OH, I have a girlfriend, but I'm not gay" I would give her a hard time about it all the time. joking of course, her and I are now really good friends. But she, to this day, swearers she is neither gay or bi. So she made a choice to date a women. She is no longer dating her, and is not saying she will never date another women again. Now it is one thing to test the waters, and to kiss another girl or mess around with another girl, but to date one for 4 years... I don't know...

Ok last thing... I always thought it to be interesting, when a girl kisses another girl it is sexy and she does not loose he femininity, but if a guy kisses another guy, he looses all masculinity... Kinda funny how that works out ...