Illigal Immigration and Common Sense

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Re: Illigal Immigration and Common Sense

Postby Mr. Happy on Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:41 am

Since I rarely back up anything I say I thoguht I'd drop by and post some confirmation of my refutation of the "Illegal Aliens and Taxes Myth"

The Tax Foundation wrote:It is true that many undocumented immigrants pay payroll taxes (i.e. FICA and Medicare) using either an invalid Social Security number or a Tax Identification Number (TIN), and empirical evidence tends to show that a large fraction of the economic incidence of these taxes falls on workers.

Some of these same individuals also pay income taxes,
[...]But even if one is paid “under the table” where neither the employer nor employee report the income to the IRS, other taxes are paid by illegal immigrants. This would include mainly sales taxes on items purchased in most states and localities.[...]Corporate income taxes could also be paid in part by illegal immigrants. The burden of any corporate tax will fall on a combination of three parties: workers, consumers, and/or shareholders. While illegal immigrants tend to not be active investors, they are often workers and consumers, so they do bear a fraction of that burden.
Source.

The Reason Foundation wrote:A stunning two-thirds of illegal immigrants pay Medicare, Social Security and personal income taxes

Source.

Now I haven't digged for the numbers, but I swear to god I heard this on the radio, coming from some "expert"

Paraphrase wrote:Because so many people think taxes are unconstitutional, and because so many people don't make enough to pay income taxes, it is extremely possible that the percentage of illegal immigrants that pay income taxes is higher than the percentage of citizens and legal residents that do/


It seems unlikely, but I swear to God it's true. And the evidence is there. It's simply a fact that illegal immigrants DO pay taxes, and that the vast MAJORITY pay social security and Medicare taxes, and EXTREMELY PROBABLY THAT THE MAJORITY PAY INCOME TAXES (these numbers are very hard to find).

I really wouldn't worry about illegal immigrants and taxes, I would worry about people and corporations not paying their taxes, and the rediculous tax bracket system that has the poor and middle and upper middle classes paying most of the taxes and the super-rich able to avoid almost all of their taxes. (for example, majority shareholders usually aren't taxed because their corporation will pay for them)


EDIT: Slightly different but illegal immigrants also contribute to our overall economic health by purchasing credit cards and loans. You might think they can't pay taxes, or get credit cards, but the simple fact of the matter is that the IRS and Banks would prefer to get the money than to lose the immigrants, and so the systems are set up in such a way that they do.
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Re: Illigal Immigration and Common Sense

Postby RobQ on Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:07 am

Mr. Happy wrote:I really wouldn't worry about illegal immigrants and taxes, I would worry about people and corporations not paying their taxes, and the rediculous tax bracket system that has the poor and middle and upper middle classes paying most of the taxes and the super-rich able to avoid almost all of their taxes.


I hate how some people and businesses scam out of taxes, but the fact is that the middle class should be paying most of the taxes. I wish they did. Whoever pays the bills gets to call the shots.
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Re: Illigal Immigration and Common Sense

Postby no00dylan on Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:37 pm

Throughout the years, (15 to be exact) I've realized that the world is not and "underdog story " not everyone can be helped, not everyone will be happy, there is no such thing as peace on earth (the whole earth) and at the end of the day somone is gonna have a missle pointed directly at you.
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Re: Illigal Immigration and Common Sense

Postby KILLA-COW on Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:56 pm

no00dylan wrote:Throughout the years, (15 to be exact) I've realized that the world is not and "underdog story " not everyone can be helped, not everyone will be happy, there is no such thing as peace on earth (the whole earth) and at the end of the day somone is gonna have a missle pointed directly at you.


Oh such a low estimation of the human race at such a young age!
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Re: Illigal Immigration and Common Sense

Postby no00dylan on Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:00 pm

KILLA-COW wrote:
no00dylan wrote:Throughout the years, (15 to be exact) I've realized that the world is not and "underdog story " not everyone can be helped, not everyone will be happy, there is no such thing as peace on earth (the whole earth) and at the end of the day somone is gonna have a missle pointed directly at you.


Oh such a low estimation of the human race at such a young age!


As my father says, I'm not a pesimist, I'm a realist. Also, isn't that a good thing to realize the world is about 80% shit at a young age? It would be terribile to learn that when I'm older I would be devistated.
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Re: Illigal Immigration and Common Sense

Postby KILLA-COW on Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:26 pm

no00dylan wrote:
KILLA-COW wrote:
no00dylan wrote:Throughout the years, (15 to be exact) I've realized that the world is not and "underdog story " not everyone can be helped, not everyone will be happy, there is no such thing as peace on earth (the whole earth) and at the end of the day somone is gonna have a missle pointed directly at you.


Oh such a low estimation of the human race at such a young age!


As my father says, I'm not a pesimist, I'm a realist. Also, isn't that a good thing to realize the world is about 80% shit at a young age? It would be terribile to learn that when I'm older I would be devistated.


Nah I prefer just to live life and be happy with it, instead of worrying about how shit the world is. Things don't go the way you want them to, fuck it. You've still got to enjoy life haven't you? LIFE IS FOR LIVING THEY SAY.
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Re: Illigal Immigration and Common Sense

Postby no00dylan on Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:16 am

KILLA-COW wrote:
no00dylan wrote:
KILLA-COW wrote:
no00dylan wrote:Throughout the years, (15 to be exact) I've realized that the world is not and "underdog story " not everyone can be helped, not everyone will be happy, there is no such thing as peace on earth (the whole earth) and at the end of the day somone is gonna have a missle pointed directly at you.


Oh such a low estimation of the human race at such a young age!


As my father says, I'm not a pesimist, I'm a realist. Also, isn't that a good thing to realize the world is about 80% shit at a young age? It would be terribile to learn that when I'm older I would be devistated.


Nah I prefer just to live life and be happy with it, instead of worrying about how shit the world is. Things don't go the way you want them to, fuck it. You've still got to enjoy life haven't you? LIFE IS FOR LIVING THEY SAY.



True, but it doesn't hurt to know that the world is shit, I still enjoy life. :)
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Re: Illigal Immigration and Common Sense

Postby Mr. Happy on Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:27 am

Well I'd say 80% of people are good, but the assholes have guns.
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Re: Illigal Immigration and Common Sense

Postby Grudge on Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:10 am

Yes Mr. Happy,

'Cause it's all fun and games til someone gets a bullet in the cerebrum.
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Re: Illigal Immigration and Common Sense

Postby Stubby on Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:17 pm

Mr. Happy wrote:Well I'd say 80% of people are good, but the assholes have guns.



Im a good person, but i also have a ak47.

so im a asshole because i like to be prepared?

wait till some dude breaks into your house and you got nothing.

if america gets invaded i will be pulling a red dawn. (for those who have seen that movie.)
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Re: Illigal Immigration and Common Sense

Postby FlyingCats on Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:29 pm

Stubby wrote:
Mr. Happy wrote:Well I'd say 80% of people are good, but the assholes have guns.



Im a good person, but i also have a ak47.

so im a asshole because i like to be prepared?

wait till some dude breaks into your house and you got nothing.

if america gets invaded i will be pulling a red dawn. (for those who have seen that movie.)


He's got a point Mr Happy.
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Re: Illigal Immigration and Common Sense

Postby whiffen on Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:03 pm

FlyingCats wrote:
Stubby wrote:
Mr. Happy wrote:Well I'd say 80% of people are good, but the assholes have guns.



Im a good person, but i also have a ak47.

so im a asshole because i like to be prepared?

wait till some dude breaks into your house and you got nothing.

if america gets invaded i will be pulling a red dawn. (for those who have seen that movie.)


He's got a point Mr Happy.


A better weapon is an education. And services that will meet the peoples needs. Then you wouldn't need guns in the first place.

I don't mind guns, and sure they can be used for self defense. But its shouldn't ever have to come to that. They are to easily available and not everyone who owns a gun is fit to have it.

BTW WTF! Why would anyone need an AK47 in there household!? Are you killing hundreds of robbers everyday, or are you a terrible shot!? A pistol I can understand but why would anyone need an automatic rifle! Maybe a hunting rifle is understandable, but a gun like that was made for killing people, not animals.
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Re: Illigal Immigration and Common Sense

Postby Sacul15 on Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:11 pm

Not to sound too much like a redneck, but automatic weapons can be pretty fun. If used responsibly, there's nothing wrong with shooting off a few clips. Personally, I would never own one, but I can understand people wanting to. The goal should be making sure that people who would use guns to hurt other people can't get them, not making them absolutely forbidden.
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Re: Illigal Immigration and Common Sense

Postby whiffen on Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:15 pm

I know what you mean. I would like to fire one of those off to, and the scare factor of seeing such a gun pointed in your direction would make anyone want to gtfo of your house. I guess you have to look at both sides of the situation really.
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Re: Illigal Immigration and Common Sense

Postby Stubby on Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:49 pm

The point of having a ak47 is:

If they are a dumb robber they will go for cover. and a ak47 will most definitly go through walls and funiture.

If they are a smart robber they will just surrender and then we dont have to deal with the messy clean-up.

also, its fun.

and if china invades our ass i have a real gun to help support our local militia. duh.
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