Zeitgeist - Your Thoughts

[MPitard]

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

What are your thoughts on this? It does seem like everything fits, but then again I can't even pass school.

[dissonance]

I had the same reaction to this as I did to Mein Kampf: "I agree with all your starting points, but then you went and drew some really fucked up and illogical conclusions from them."

[renouf]

the movie opens up a mighty big can of worms.

The one thing i would like to find some independent corroboration on is the talk about the central banks.

I live in canada eh, and on the bank of canada web site it states
"The Bank is not a government department and conducts its activities with considerable independence compared with most other federal institutions..."?!

where the F does all this national debt come from?!
why the F are we in a debt based economy?!

the movie isn't advocating that one takes all that it says as gospel. The movie encourages viewers to ask questions, research topics and come to some truth about major events. Is this bad?

/endrant

[RawMeat3000]

I almost cried during parts of this movie. Just thinking about all the short-sighted people who don't give a damn about anything but how their environment can benefit them. Selfishness is acceptable up to a point, but when you're doing things like screwing over an entire town by contaminating their water supply, for example, just because you (being a multi-billionare) didn't want to spend a few million dollars on safety precautions. Stuff like that gets me down and really doesn't make much sense. Why cause a scandal that could destroy your entire buisness? And don't even get me started on religion. That's more depressing than anything.

Thanks MPitard.

[Seraph169]

the movie opens up a mighty big can of worms.

The one thing i would like to find some independent corroboration on is the talk about the central banks.

I live in canada eh, and on the bank of canada web site it states
"The Bank is not a government department and conducts its activities with considerable independence compared with most other federal institutions..."?!

where the F does all this national debt come from?!
why the F are we in a debt based economy?!

the movie isn't advocating that one takes all that it says as gospel. The movie encourages viewers to ask questions, research topics and come to some truth about major events. Is this bad?

/endrant

A central back is a special governmental or quasi-governmental institution in the financial system that regulates the medium of exchange.

National debt is quite common, however you're not being told of the entire situation. You must understand that a complete 'balance of payments' for a country is distributed as a current account, capital account and official settlements account. The current account measures the flow of goods, services, and income across national borders. It also includes transfers or 'gifts' from the domestic governmental and residents to foreign residents and governments, as well as foreign transfers to the domestic country. The capital account tabulates cross-border transaction of financial assets between private residents, foreign residents, and domestic and foreign governments. The official settlements account measures the transactions of financial assets and deposits by official governmental agencies (Conducted generally by a central bank or financial ministry).

Now the overall balance of payments is the sum of the credits and debits in the current account, capital account, official settlements and statistical discrepancy. It is quite common for the media to refer to balance of payments deficits or surpluses, however it should be noted that given the statistical discrepancy (which offsets any errors), the overall balance of payments is equal to zero. So if one was to claim that you had national debt, you must realize, somewhere in the balance of payments it is 'equaled'. For example, in the U.S., there is a large trade deficit. This is canceled out by either a larger capital account or official settlements account or perhaps somewhere else in the current account, so being a debt nation isn't as 'worrisome' as you may be led to believe. Many debt nations, including the U.S., are some of the finest economic systems in the world, so there is something to be said for that.

Hope this helps some.

[lo-fi]

It's definitely a mindfuck until you realize that they site almost no sources. I'm still unable to find anything that would corroborate their claims about the similarities in religious figures.

The second part sent me through a bit of a loop since I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist, but it was nothing I hadn't seen before, minus the slant cut girders and the story about the bomb going off in the basement (which I have seen numerous accounts of since then).

The third part I think was the most coherent, but they still didn't cite any sources.

Being a film major, the lack of cohesion in their attempt to link the sections together is a huge turnoff from an entertainment standpoint. The vast majority of people are going to hate it simply because it is sloppy. The movie is literally a chore to watch, the first 10 minutes of synth crap and bombs montage alone made 3 of my friends get bored and turn it off before it really got rolling. Zero sources are cited minus some interviews they probably lifted of some other legitimate news source, and they spin their own half truths just as easily as the people they are trying to point out.

If you have the patience to watch it, it can definitely get your blood boiling, but it's so unprofessional and sloppy that it really does a disservice to the message it is trying to convey.

[MELVIn]

I believe that it's made to LOOK legit. I mean you can tell your friends that the moon is going to explode if you sound like you've done a lot of research on it and bubble out some random facts that aren't really facts, but just sound like they are.

They are probably not going to look into it anyways so they just believe what you said instead.

Sound smart enough and people will believe anything you say.

[Fearian]

honestly, the most important thing in that video to me...


was that IRS stuff! someone check that! seriously! sounds like a sweet loophole... you dont NEED to pay that tax? nice.

[RawMeat3000]

It's definitely a mindfuck until you realize that they site almost no sources. I'm still unable to find anything that would corroborate their claims about the similarities in religious figures.

This is troubling... I shall investigate.

[lo-fi]

honestly, the most important thing in that video to me...


was that IRS stuff! someone check that! seriously! sounds like a sweet loophole... you dont NEED to pay that tax? nice.

Totally. This is a perfect reason of why they need to cite sources. If they can prove that the public doesnt have to pay an income tax because it wasnt ratified by the majority of states and the public actually paid attention, that would be huge

[Sorrow]

They go through great lengths to destroy the myth called god, but I already knew he was bullshit, so that was a bit of a waste of time... perhaps the next parts are a bit more interesting.

[Mr. Happy]

There not saying God is bullshit, there saying we should worship the sun duh.

I found part 1 to be extremely interesting. I love looking at different patterns, the development of one thing to another, the evolution of concept. Anyway, the religion part is definitely not a controversial thing, so I see no reason for lies there. Many of the similarities and connections I already knew, the flood being described by Sumerian, Indian, and Egyptian cultures before the Jews came into existance for example. Alot of that is common knowledge, or should be, at any rate stuff that you can learn by watching the history channel or going to 7th grade english class.

Still they make it seem like a bad thing, that's just how it works. Every major religion over the millenia has evolved and derived from the earlier ones, as have the minor religions. Greeks drawing on Sumerians, Romans drawing on Greeks. Zoroastrians drawing on everyone. That's just evolution. They seem suprised that much of the Jewish religion draws heavily on the cultures that surrounded and caused it's development. Who were they slaves of? The Egyptians. Duh.

But I've never seen it gone into such depth and breadth. Never knew there were THAT many connections between Jesus and Horus. Very interesting, and definitely I'm going to look into it.

Now, I agree with people posting above about their source and conclusions, but really, it's a film. Not a paper. And the point is that they are drawing conclusions. For example, the golden calf being taurus. Makes sense, whatever, it's just a connection. I see this as a video essay, and the point of an essay is that you do research to find information that causes new ideas to form in your head and then you expound on them. Still it is somewhat hypocritical when they say they are interested in truths based on facts and then draw conclusions.

For example, their conclusions on 9/11. Anyone with half a brain knows that the Airliners couldn't have taken down the towers. Why? Because of experts. When it comes to science and other areas of extreme specialization it doesn't matter what your opinion is, or that you think "big thing smashes into other big thing makes it fall down." I mean, ya, it makes perfect sense when you think about it and don't know how these things work, but that's why you have to listen to experts. We don't let celebrity chef's tell us what makes for a good level or character model, we tell them, and they say "ok." Common sense means nothing when it comes to situational or factual analysis.

The third part was pretty cool, alot of stuff I didn't know there and it was definitely the part that I didn't see coming at all. Like the North American Union concept. It checks out, well, it's on wikipedia

What really interested me about the income tax issue is the usage of funds and the ratification. I honestly don't know how it's apportioned but if it goes to roads and schools and hospitals then you have the duty and obligation to pay it no matter how it was started. But if it's for reconciling currecny loans?....I dunno. But really the most interesting thing about that to me is the idea that it wasn't actually ratified. Gotta look into that.

Of course the whole economic elitism and financial constructionism is common knowledge, but I liked to see where they took it.

Anyway, at the end, I thought it was a really good film with some big constructional flaws (no end unification, no explicit underlying thread, etc.) That is really interesting. Everything they touched on is a huge personal interest of mine, though I don't persue it to the ends they did. As for their conclusions, for half of them I say "whatever, that's not why I'm watching this." I mean, yes, secondary explosives were used in the destruction of the WTC's, but to jump to the conclusion that Bush ordered it? I'm not gonna eat that. At least not with their arguments as the only evidence.


Oh, and if anyone quotes me and says tl;dr your dead

p.s. anyone who thinks world givernment is a bad thing outright needs to watch more star trek

[Sorrow]

ok I'm not adding anything.

[Mango]

Sun worship is perhaps one of the most interesting aspects of religion for me. Pagan symbolism, ideas, stories and concepts have been modified and transfigured in a way that, ostensibly, making it easier for people of a different faith to accept a new religion: shown in the example of Christmas (Jesus's b-day) coinciding with the winter solstice. This however, only tells half the tale.

The very earliest religious systems have worshipped the stars, many (I would say predominantly) placing the sun as its central figure. Complex myths and stories have been built up around this basic theme, but many of these stories are allegorical: behind the tales lurks celestial truth. In the same way that the Sumerian creation epic, the Enuma Elish, has remarkable similarities to Genesis creation story, these religious tales mask events of a celestial nature.

Mr Happy: I would like to recommend Jordan Maxwell to you. He is a researcher of no mean 60 years, into subjects such as astro-theology, the occult and secret societies. You can find many of his videos on youtube and some torrent websites. I have found his research to be highly illuminating and intimately fascinating. With regard to the North American Union, please watch Alex Jones' new film, Endgame (available on googlevideo) and with especial note the section on Biodiversity and the re-wilding of America.

The Federal Reserve et al.: You might like to watch Aaron Russo's America: From Freedom to Fascism, this film deals with the orthodox money system, and tries to uncover The Actual Legislation for income tax. Will be a good jumping off point for research. Also worthwhile is a documentary called The Money Masters, which talks about the establishment of the Fed in great detail.

With regard to world government: World government as an idea is not a bad one. There're many reasons why it should be a good one. But, when you look into the roots of globalism, following patterns of history, and how it's being established now, under what auspices and driving ideology and WHO exactly will be running the show - world government might not be so palatable.

[dragonfliet]

After watching this video and noticing the complete and utter crap it pulls, from absolute inaccuracies, to things so far removed from context that they have become inaccurate, etc, etc, I figured it was time to present this:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20 ... -deal.html

The gist? People on the internet are stupid. They are more likely to believe a whackjob theory than the basic, simple truth.

The arguments presented in this video are so far removed from logical thought processes that it boggles the mind. The whole world is not a conspiracy. I'm sorry. Religion is not a conspiracy, banks are not a conspiracy, 9/11 was not a conspiracy, Hell, even the council of Nicea, as corrupt and flawed as it was, introducing almost all of the overtly pagan references in christianity (such as december 25th, which wasn't considered by anyone to be the birth of christ), wasn't a conspiracy. There are some people who seek to control others and there are some that have succeeded in many different ways. To assert that it has all been a long, protracted arraignment is just ludicrous.

I honestly recommend that anyone that believes this bullocks to stop for a second, take a deep breath and ask yourself what's so lacking in your life that you are willing to forsake intellectual thought for pseudo-intellectual garbage.

~Jason