The meaning of life.

[Dionysos]

.. I see that everything is 'allowed' to function and that everything runs smoothly. ...

Everything we see has to function, because otherwise it wouldnt be there. There doesnt have to be a will behind it (although there are happening some weird things at quantum level...)

Have you read The God Delusion? Not meant as preaching on my part, but its an interesting book

[zombie@computer]

Atheists should [...] stop aggressively preaching

Thats classic. Muslims blow up every person that isnt a damn muslim (more or less), christians forced their religion to half of the american continent (if not more), scientology im only mentioning since we all know how that works, yet atheists dont have the right to spread their view aggresively? Tell me, what makes religious people better than atheists? Is it their belief in fairy tales?

However, atheists should use their logic they base their world off of and realize religion is a good thing. Sure, religion may be a major factor in lots of the world's conflict but the world still spins and everything keeps going. It gives people direction, it gives people purpose, it gives people hope.

what is that? You confuse atheists with religion-bashers? Again, which religion doesnt bash other religions? (i know those exists, but the mayor religions bash the others anyways, so...)

[BillyDa59]

Zombie, since you seem to enjoy "classics," I'll compare you to an eleven year old who wants his parents to buy him the newest 'cool' item. Yes, I know all the other kids at school have Ipod but oh well. In other words, just because religions bash each other doesn't mean you and other atheists have to. Rather than continuing to aggressively preach and argue your views like the people you seem to despise, why don't you passively advocate your ideas. Even if everyone doesn't agree with your perspective it's no skin off your back, so why care? And what's all this hatred towards Islam about? Not every Muslim is an extremist and not only Islam has a history of extremist sects. As for your dislike in fair tales, think for a moment, can you honestly say you don't practice even a little bit of faith in anything? Have you never taken a bet or has there been an occasion where you made a small risk? And what about facts and ideas you hear? Do you verify everything you are told? These are just small examples but I'm sure you can recall for yourself greater instances of faith you've put into things.

And Dionysos, your right, everything we see has to function otherwise it wouldn't be here. That's exactly what I said and I was hoping that you'd be able to infer something from that. There's more to the workings of everything than just plain function. There's beauty to the world and a likeness in all things that shows there's more than just creation. There has got to be a creator. With things like the Golden Ratio, which someone pointed this out earlier but I forgot who, so sorry. Also, did you ever notice almost everything comes in polar opposites? There's too much 'coincidences' in the universe to say there's no design to it. But this is just what I believe, no one else has to believe in or even like these ideas.

[vcool]

Zombie, since you seem to enjoy "classics," I'll compare you to an eleven year old who wants his parents to buy him the newest 'cool' item. Yes, I know all the other kids at school have Ipod but oh well. In other words, just because religions bash each other doesn't mean you and other atheists have to.

Excuse me, but you are demostrating exactly what z@c was saying. Why are you saying that atheists are religion-bashers? Am I bashing religion? Just because I don't believe in God because I think the idea of a all-mighty ethereal being is far fetched - I am bashing religion? I put it to you and I leave it to you.

[Mr. Happy]

Well alot of us are religion bashers, so he's got a point there. Of course everyone forgets that there's nothing wrong with bashing religion, as organized religion preys on people whom are easily persuaded by pretty pictures, and organized religion is the root of all evil.

[Dionysos]

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And Dionysos, your right, everything we see has to function otherwise it wouldn't be here. That's exactly what I said and I was hoping that you'd be able to infer something from that. There's more to the workings of everything than just plain function. There's beauty to the world and a likeness in all things that shows there's more than just creation. There has got to be a creator. With things like the Golden Ratio, which someone pointed this out earlier but I forgot who, so sorry. Also, did you ever notice almost everything comes in polar opposites? There's too much 'coincidences' in the universe to say there's no design to it. But this is just what I believe, no one else has to believe in or even like these ideas.

Well that was exactly my point, even though I didnt elaborate on it. If something does not function, it "falls behind" or rather gets picked out by natural selection and thus dies out. Thats why something that doesnt function simply cant exist for a very long time. This is just a very neat system, and even though it encourages the idea of a creator because "everything works", it really cant be any different when you look at natural selection. That of course is very general and Im mostly talking about nature... (also applies to how perfect it is for us to be on a planet which is *just* the right distance from the sun, having jupiter (it was jupiter wasnt it?) sheild us from asteroids etc)

The polar opposites is interesting. And of course theres much we cant explain yet. But I still have no reason to believe in a creator. Of course, if the evidence suggested otherwise...

Talking of coincedences, yes. There are many weird coincidences, and I find it interesting how quantum behavior comes to mind (at least with me). A quantum computer wouldnt need to calculate an answer, it would just need the question and automatically know that, because that seems how quantum states seem to work. Nobody knows wtf that is all about. So that *might* (my little naive theory ^^) come into play, we having a little of that ability (the brain being a quantum computer of sorts) to unconsciously "know" the answer. of course thats all speculative and mainly play-of-thought but still...
Many coincidences I also see as exactly that, coincidences. Every time that something is *not* happening, we dont really notice or think about it. Then when it happens we think its weird because were not thinking of every time it didnt happen.

But I agree, I also get the sense of some weird coincidences.

I am totally at peace with not having a god. I can find my kind of "spirituality" from simply looking at nature, for instance, and seeing how complex the system is, how we are (or were, before ripping everything apart) a part of it. Pondering the huge distances between stars... you dont have to believe in a god to feel "spiritual". I still hope (*hope*, I dont believe it) theres something other than just ceasing to exist.


Really, read the God Delusion. It is in no way bashing, even if you are religious or believe in a god (or many ) and simply interesting.

[Sathor]

Just because the believe in the great coincidences exceeds the understanding and horizon of many people, the much easier way to believe in a god might not be the best.

[KILLA-COW]

Who cares what the meaning of life is.

Just enjoy yourself and stop pissing yourself about what it is and isn't.

People waste too much time trying to work out what the grand scheme of things is and trying to find an answer for everything - and end up just wasting their lives.

Just enjoy it while it lasts. Theres a meaning of life courtesy of me.

[Slutty_hoe]

Who cares what the meaning of life is.

Just enjoy yourself and stop pissing yourself about what it is and isn't.

People waste too much time trying to work out what the grand scheme of things is and trying to find an answer for everything - and end up just wasting their lives.

Just enjoy it while it lasts. Theres a meaning of life courtesy of me.

I totally agree, Meaning of life is to live it

[Sathor]

Who cares what the meaning of life is.

Just enjoy yourself and stop pissing yourself about what it is and isn't.

People waste too much time trying to work out what the grand scheme of things is and trying to find an answer for everything - and end up just wasting their lives.

Just enjoy it while it lasts. Theres a meaning of life courtesy of me.

I totally agree, Meaning of life is to live it

Agreed. Get rich, get a hot wife, a few kids and still a hard on with 80 years - and you win in life.

[jister]

But I still have no reason to believe in a creator. Of course, if the evidence suggested otherwise...

Talking of coincedences, yes. There are many weird coincidences, and I find it interesting how quantum behavior comes to mind (at least with me). A quantum computer wouldnt need to calculate an answer, it would just need the question and automatically know that, because that seems how quantum states seem to work. Nobody knows wtf that is all about. So that *might* (my little naive theory ^^) come into play, we having a little of that ability (the brain being a quantum computer of sorts) to unconsciously "know" the answer. of course thats all speculative and mainly play-of-thought but still...
Many coincidences I also see as exactly that, coincidences. Every time that something is *not* happening, we dont really notice or think about it. Then when it happens we think its weird because were not thinking of every time it didnt happen.


Really, read the God Delusion. It is in no way bashing, even if you are religious or believe in a god (or many ) and simply interesting.

so what kind of waterproof evidence do you have for believing you're little quantum theory there?

and btw i read dawkins' god delusion, which was more like a reading delusion. for me he's a total pre-orientated thinker, who doesn't follow thru logic in his statements. It convinced me more of the opposite of what he was telling then the points he tried to make...

[dissonance]

The meaning of life is obviously to troll the living hell out of anything possible.

[jister]

well if I'm sure of one thingit's: just living your life for the heck of it, isn't a meaning, rather a kind of waste.

it's the typical capitalist propaganda. don't think, just live... sounds like you watched to much nike commercials.

[Mr. Happy]

so what kind of waterproof evidence do you have for believing you're little quantum theory there?

He might not have evidence, but do you have a single reason for believing in god? Not proof, but one single reason that actually makes you think there may be a god? I'm curious...

[Ryder2394]

My religious answer would be to prove yourself worthy of living on after you die

My non-religious answer would be that there is no meaning of life.

If there is an after life, we wouldn't want child molesters,murders, etc running around in it would we?