Obama's Policies - Discussion

[MayheM]

I would not say it is a natural act but I would say it is typical of Obama followers. I work in a school where most kids are prop Obama, when you talk to them about it they have no concrete ideas of what he is about or what he believes. It is just "we need change"... Much like mac users spout out the montra of those damn apple commercials... "Macs dont get viruses" "Vista is broken" There are so many people who believe everything they hear and blindly follow. The fact that the others joined the guys rants for death is typical of the "follow the leader" mentality so many people have. to paraphrase a line from Clerks, "bunch of easily led Obamatons"...

[Mango]

I would not say it is a natural act but I would say it is typical of Obama followers. I work in a school where most kids are prop Obama, when you talk to them about it they have no concrete ideas of what he is about or what he believes. It is just "we need change"... Much like mac users spout out the montra of those damn apple commercials... "Macs dont get viruses" "Vista is broken" There are so many people who believe everything they hear and blindly follow.

This is because most of these people are brainwashed, they've been sold a brand like it's fucking coca-cola. They have no idea what Obama really stands for. He voted and pushed for the bailout deal. He knows the government's more crooked than a barrel of snakes. These people are just the most ignorant people in the country. See the people crying at the victory speech like he's Jesus? That is shocking and should send chills up your spine.

The fact that the others joined the guys rants for death is typical of the "follow the leader" mentality so many people have. to paraphrase a line from Clerks, "bunch of easily led Obamatons"...

Rahm, is a career politician, he knows very well what he is doing. He's a clever guy, he's not a brainwashed follower. He undoubtedly has connections and an agenda. He was the guy who spearheaded the assault weapons ban.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/profiles/3392848/Profile-Rahm-Emanuel-Barack-Obamas-new-enforcer.html

Found this too:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/recession/3414946/Gordon-Brown-calls-for-new-world-order-to-beat-recession.html

Just for kicks.

[Monkeh]

Rahm as Obama's Chief of Staff? Jesus christ.

He scares the shit out of me, I don't want him anywhere NEAR the white house. Not only is he just generally scary but he's an extreme Gun Control advocate

[Sorrow]

Apparently he's someone who gets things done, isn't that a good thing?

[Mr-Jigsaw]

He may get things done, but his methods sound...unsavory. He seems like an ass.

And besides, the assault weapons ban didn't stop any criminals from getting AK47s, it just pissed off law-abiding citizens. Its ridiculous if you read it too, basically they just started by saying, "okay, we want to ban AKs, uzis and M16s, how do target those without looking like we're targeting them specifically?" So essentially what happened is that the "menacing" weapons got banned and the government got to maintain much of its arms supremacy over the people. In the government's view, civilians should only have hunting rifles and revolvers essentially.

Sorry, I just don't like the assault weapons ban, I've got to hold this against this guy.

[The Wanderer]

He may get things done, but his methods sound...unsavory. He seems like an ass.

And besides, the assault weapons ban didn't stop any criminals from getting AK47s, it just pissed off law-abiding citizens. Its ridiculous if you read it too, basically they just started by saying, "okay, we want to ban AKs, uzis and M16s, how do target those without looking like we're targeting them specifically?" So essentially what happened is that the "menacing" weapons got banned and the government got to maintain much of its arms supremacy over the people. In the government's view, civilians should only have hunting rifles and revolvers essentially.

Sorry, I just don't like the assault weapons ban, I've got to hold this against this guy.

What i don't understand is when would you ever need something better than a revolver/hunting rifle, which already can kill a human with a well placed shot.
Are you preparing for a zombie apocalypse?

[MayheM]

Well pretty much when some young punk from the hood busts into your house with an uzi, if you have a revolver you might as well have a knife... The problem is they ban these weapons but the bad people still get them. I for one shot an M4 assault rifle and it was pretty freaking sweet. I was at the shooting range and was supprised at how well I was able to shoot. Anyway, gun bans do not work. It is like how pot is illegal in San fran but people do it in public, it is a pointless thing that just does not work.

Anyway, I was talking to my friend the other day who ran for local office a while back. He did not ahve a lot of money, but had some great ideas. So he went out and found a book on campaigning. It turns out after watching this who election he was able to see that Obama followed a specific model on "how to get elected" The basis of it is to get up and be nonspecific about what you want to to and say how you will change things for the better. It was not until late in Obamas campaign when he started spouting off some specifics of his plan, but for the most part he was just making blanket promises. People eat it up becaseu they wanted things to be different and people where dumb enough to believe that McCain was going to be another 4 years of Bush. This was the first election I ahve ever seen the media fully support on candidate. It was shamefull how they backed Obama. In fact I find it amazing how a religious figurehead can not stand at his or her pulpit and preach about why one candidate is better then another, that is not without risking its non profit status, but damn reporters can get on tv and slobber all over Obamas nuts and there is nothing wrong with that. I was under the impresion repoters jobs was to tell both sides of the story, and let the people make up thier own minds. Instead this whole election was nothing more then one big Obama suckfest.

There is a silver lining to all this though, when Obama and the democrats fuck things up so baddly the people realize the mistake they made. The Democrats will have no one to blame but themselves being they now run the senate, congress and the presidency. No more wildly blaming the Republicans...

[medestruit]

Having an AK or any other assault rifle is not illegal, having fully automatic ones is. You can have an AK with a stripped bolt, allowing only semi-auto fire. I have one sitting in my closet, actually. You can go to a gunshow and buy one. You just are not allowed the full action bolt. Where the law fails, however, is black market smuggling and buying the parts(albeit, to repair a rifle to full auto takes a skilled gunsmith to do....fortunately I know plenty via growing up around weaponry from my grandfather and his friends...one of whom owns a MAC kit wholeseller here in the Atlanta area) but it is still easy to obtain the needed parts.

The law itself would be perfectly sound, of some of the government spending from other police sting operations went into weapons smuggling stings. I had jury duty today, sat in the court room for almost 12 hours...so I had plenty of time to talk about these issues heh.

[Mr-Jigsaw]

About the AK. These things make in an assault weapon.
1. detachable magazine
2. pistol grip
3. bayonet lug(common, but not ubiquitous)
4. folding stock(less common, but still there)
5. flash suppressor(common)
There you have it, even non-fully automatic, you've got an assault weapon. It just takes three of those, I believe.

It wouldn't be so bad but California loved the idea so much they went further with it. You can't get magazines holding over ten rounds. It sucks trying to find magazines for most guns because half of them are illegal in CA.

But back to the point. Obama's fine, but I don't like the sound of that Emanuel guy.

[Mango]

Mayhem you nailed it with your second paragraph.

There is a silver lining to all this though, when Obama and the democrats fuck things up so baddly the people realize the mistake they made. The Democrats will have no one to blame but themselves being they now run the senate, congress and the presidency. No more wildly blaming the Republicans...

Obama is gonna piss a lot of people off. He's already said times are gonna be hard and we gotta serve America. He's said he's going to do things people might not like. So no more wildly blaming democrats: because they're just as bad. They're both a bunch of crooks and liars.

[The Wanderer]

Obama is gonna piss a lot of people off. He's already said times are gonna be hard and we gotta serve America. He's said he's going to do things people might not like. So no more wildly blaming democrats: because they're just as bad. They're both a bunch of crooks and liars.

A good leader doesn't always do things that please the people, but in the end he does them for the greater good. You can't expect that during a financial crisis your asses will be buttered, you're going to have to work to get out of it. And you cannot please everyone, he atleast accepts that.

Atleast he is the most fitting choice for a financial crisis seeing McCain himself said he knows jack shit about that topic.

[medestruit]

About the AK. These things make in an assault weapon.
1. detachable magazine
2. pistol grip
3. bayonet lug(common, but not ubiquitous)
4. folding stock(less common, but still there)
5. flash suppressor(common)
There you have it, even non-fully automatic, you've got an assault weapon. It just takes three of those, I believe.

It wouldn't be so bad but California loved the idea so much they went further with it. You can't get magazines holding over ten rounds. It sucks trying to find magazines for most guns because half of them are illegal in CA.

But back to the point. Obama's fine, but I don't like the sound of that Emanuel guy.

All firearms can have a detachable magazine, all firearms can have a pistol grip, all firearms can have a flash suppressor, all firearms can have a folding stock and all firearms can have a bayonet lug. What you described can pertain to all firearms with the exception of flintlock/black powder weapons. That is not the description of an assault weapon. In that description, you cannot own a pistol, which is not the law.

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/genchar2.php

I feel sorry for you Californians, they really fucked you in the non-lubed asshole with their adaptation of the assault weapon law. Apparently nobody in California knows very much about weaponry.

Obama is gonna piss a lot of people off. He's already said times are gonna be hard and we gotta serve America. He's said he's going to do things people might not like. So no more wildly blaming democrats: because they're just as bad. They're both a bunch of crooks and liars.

A good leader doesn't always do things that please the people, but in the end he does them for the greater good. You can't expect that during a financial crisis your asses will be buttered, you're going to have to work to get out of it. And you cannot please everyone, he atleast accepts that.

Atleast he is the most fitting choice for a financial crisis seeing McCain himself said he knows jack shit about that topic.

Well you see, the issue here is that the last 8 years have been that way...and people are complaining. Bush hasn't done the "popular" things, but the things he believes in. Well, in the speeches Obama has made in the last few days, he says "God Bless America" and talks about how he feels "religion should be an important part of public life" which is more decidedly a Republican view...and guess what, this was Bush. Bush is the same. If Obama does this "what's on his mind" and not "what's good for the people" he'll be just like Bush. I don't care what people say, Bush has not done a bad job as president. He was thrown in the middle of a lot of sticky situations where he would have been criticized regardless of his actions on a national and world level. Was he our best? No, far from it. The worst? No, there are at least 10-15 presidents that have done a worse job.

If Obama sticks to his guns, he'll get the same scrutiny. By looking at more than half his intended policies, he won't be helping the country anymore than what we have now. I wish people would consider all this before they vote. Nobody looks at historical presidencies and what issues have been brought up on policy throughout the years, how they were used, etc. They don't look at what other presidents have been tossed in the middle of and how they dealt with it. If all these issues were important to the greater portion of the voting population we would have a decidedly more united nation and more likely a better relationship with our president and other nations. Too bad people just vote because a black man is running, or just vote because their favorite musical artist told them he/she loves XXXXX candidate.

[Mango]

A good leader doesn't always do things that please the people, but in the end he does them for the greater good. You can't expect that during a financial crisis your asses will be buttered, you're going to have to work to get out of it. And you cannot please everyone, he atleast accepts that.

Atleast he is the most fitting choice for a financial crisis seeing McCain himself said he knows jack shit about that topic.

Look when I said they were crooks and liars, I literally mean they're actual criminals and definite liars. Do you really believe that all the measures of financial deregulation, the surveillance grid, restriction of civil liberties, the shredding of the constitution and the bill of rights, the wars, the contracts, the drugs, are gonna stop under Obama? He's a puppet: he controls nothings. Like George Bush controlled nothing. They're figure heads for the real political machinery being the executive.

The privately owned foreign central banks own the American government. It's their private cash machine. Do you know that the banker bailout bill is actually a takeover bill? That there was no need for it, and that it's an armed robbery by the banks that will plunge America into a hyper inflationary depression?

They created the financial crisis intentionally man. The very fact that we're loaning money from the banks only to give it back to them should sound the alarm bells.

A good leader doesn't always do things that please the people, but in the end he does them for the greater good.

Obama is NOT a good leader, he is a tyrant in sheep's clothing. You gotta see beyond the false left/right paradigm and see that both parties are controlled by the same interests. They just fool you with this charade of democracy, this pageant of trickery. It's like the Bush / Kerry election - they're cousins, they're both from the establishment, and they're both members of Yale University fraternity/secret society Skull and Bones. In a country where supposedly anyone can be president, you have a power monopoly by the elite families and organizations.

Obama is gonna form a Civilian Defense Force, a massive domestic military. It's going to be a domestic police state. Who do they think is gonna invade? Terrorists? The same terrorists created, funded, protected and utilized by the government? Al-CIA-da. Give me a break. Who are the countries going all over the world and taking shit over in an illegal manner, it certainly ain't Russia.

Obama is gonna try to take your guns. He's gonna carbon tax the shit out of the American people. As inflation rolls in, jobs are lost, firms close down, the economy is consolidated into the hands of the largest corporations. The only jobs that will be around will be government jobs.

Obama is going to bring in a nightmare system, and he will continue and expand the agenda enacted by the 'Republicans'. Yeah right, as if they give a shit about the republic. The republic died when those planes hit those towers. The republic died when congress was threatened with martial law if they didn't pass the bailout/takeover bill.

The republic died when Obama was voted into office.

[medestruit]

And Mango, it's not even "elite families" it's moreso Masons. The Masons have a controlling interests in more than 40% of world government figure-heads. In the history of most of Europe and the U.S. since biblical times, the Freemasons have had their hands in politics. The U.S. alone has had 14 presidents who have been known Masons with more being suspected but never officially found to be. The ideals of the Illiminati/Freemasons might seem fictitious from books like "The Da Vinci Code" "Angels and Demons" etc etc, but they are not, and never have been a historically fake group. They show up through history under different names: Illuminati, Freemasons, Knights Templar, The Skulls are even a collegiate sect of the Masonic organization, but are not full Masonic members.

This is where a lot of world powers come to be. WWII saw many Masonic figures. Truman, Churchill, the main leadership of the French Resistance. Not sure many people know it, but Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini all either shipper Masons to concentration camps, or made Masonry practices illegal during the war.

But, that whole subject is a bit off-topic. My point is you have to see where the controlling interest is before pointing out "the elite" families.

Oh, and I attached an article about Obama's citizenship. I don't remember where I got the text from, it was a publicized article, but it somehow didn't make it to mass media. Interesting read if you have the time:

[Mango]

Thanks for making your point, but I understand who the masons are. I've done extensive research on secret societies and occult beliefs and dogma. Masonry does play a large part in the controlling interests, but it's more about fraternal societies and the mystery religions. Skull and Bones are locked into the Germanic secret society network and the American chapter '322' was founded by William Huntington Russell.

I'm not trying to point out who the true elite are, because that information is not public. I was using evidence to support my point. You'll also note that I said 'elite families and organizations', which I think left scope enough to include the masonic element. However I'm trying to communicate in as simple a method possible, if you start talking explaining how there's a power elite and private interests that own the government, you're going to muddy the waters very quickly by attempting to debate which particular sect or group has the controlling stake, and who that group exactly is.

It is enough to know that such groups and interests exist.