Satirical Cartoon I did about Obama's supporters

[korge]

Countries seldom suddenly change their agenda or behaviour just because the democratically chosen leader changes.

Yeah, you are probably right. I guess this means people like the Russian revolutionary (Lenin), Cuban revolutionary leader (Castro) and the German "Nationalist" (Hitler) dont count.

[ad_hominem]

Countries seldom suddenly change their agenda or behaviour just because the democratically chosen leader changes.

Yeah, you are probably right. I guess this means people like the Russian revolutionary (Lenin), Cuban revolutionary leader (Castro) and the German "Nationalist" (Hitler) dont count.

He said democratically chosen, and inherent in that is the element of fairness in the election that Hitler's appointment didn't have. The other two were the result of revolutions, not elections.

[korge]

change, revolution, revolutionary change, change of reform, blah blah. Its all jabber.

Like I said, once a man said "the american people will eventually vote themselves out of democracy" and I believe it. They are creating a government that is becoming the elite. Almost damn near like the government that the last revolutionary war tried to get away from (no offense to parlmnt).

Honestly, Im for whatever politics work. So far, I see none. I only wish I were alive to have had the honor to vote for Reagan.

[Sorrow]

Yes, because voting for a hollywood actor is TRUE freedom!

God I love you people.

[korge]

So is getting that moron Arnold shwarzneedproteinshake in office.

He ran his state like crap and now California is in debt up to its eyeballs. pretty much like the rest of the country.

And If I recall from history, reagan did this country good. Create jobs, create wealth. No taking by force and sharing it. No burdens set on companies to stunt growth.

Im amazed to see how many europeans have a hate for the states. Oh well. At least at one time in history everyone would sell their left nut to live here. Apparently this country has been over run by tyrants. Ive never seen such a push for barack hussein obama by CNN and the political left and the gay movement and all of hollywood in my life. Even Nickalodeon (a liberal child brainwashing television channel) makes tolerance, earth saving, animal protecting its forefront goal.

All of this makes me sick of the States. I love my country and the founding fathers who sacrificed everything to give us this equal opprotunity but its being taken away. I dont see why its soo hard for (majority europeans) people to grasp that. This country is about equal opprotunity, not equality.

[Athlete{UK}]

aweful. got to be honest. All difference of opinion aside. That was terrible. Sorry mate but it was.

[Cunnah]

The one thing i can't understand and possibly this is because america is foreign to me and a totally seperate culture but why is it that a fair few of posts by americans on various forums are totally against a wellfare state? It seems thats the biggest problem your not happy about paying for a service that is indiscriminate (in theory) in who it offers vital services. For example the NHS (National Health Service) its got alot of problems but god help me if i get sick no matter how poor i become i know i can get help. For an overly christian nation its odd that such services aren't held in such high esteem.

And a little more on topic, i don't think europeans are all that hept up about america. Its little things that get us mad. For example i live in wales a principality of england masscerading as a seperate country (another debate i fear). Now i appreciate that it can be a little rural especially in the valleys but in the middle of cardiff the captial of wales and a major city having an american actually ask me if there was a phone near by first explaining what a phone is like i had yet to discover the wheel or fire can come off a bit patronising. Also refering to the UK as england, or the 'Old country' is a tad irritating. Being told how to prenounce route phenetically even after i appologise and explain that we do actually speak two seperate languages and in bog standard english its prenounce 'root' (btw i work occationally at cardiff castle doing re-enactment showsif your wondering why i see a high number of ammerican tourists). closer to the internet i hate being told that my spelling is bad (i know it is im dyslexic but i try my best) when i spell colour 'colour' again their two seperate languages god damn it! Incidently i find it odd that ammerican english ignores alot of the french prenounciations that are found in english words such as route and colour since didn't the french help you guys during the war of indipendance? Now i know not all of you are like that but it doesn't help when you get a seemingly constant barage of ignorance about the world outside of the states.

Oh and one last thing many ppl want to live in ammerica because minimum wage there is a fortune in other countries most of the ppl who moved to ammerica from europe were forced there through desperation or religous beliefs. Well done america your populated by desperate people and religous nutters!

[no00dylan]

huh? oh.

Oh, say can you see by the dawn's early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?


'nuf said.

[Cunnah]

hi again, im not going to remove it but i think i want to retract my last paragraph it was meant to be somewhat light hearted but it just doesn't come across as that, my appologies.

oh and noolian im just mistyfide by your post.

[Dionysos]

Countries seldom suddenly change their agenda or behaviour just because the democratically chosen leader changes.

Yeah, you are probably right. I guess this means people like the Russian revolutionary (Lenin), Cuban revolutionary leader (Castro) and the German "Nationalist" (Hitler) dont count.

He said democratically chosen, and inherent in that is the element of fairness in the election that Hitler's appointment didn't have. The other two were the result of revolutions, not elections.

Exactly. What I was getting at is that for the most part the system decides the winner, and the system dictactes the agenda. Thats why I dont think there is going to be a radical change, no matter who is elected. The process of election, in most western countries, already dictates the result, and what *kind* of man/woman is elected. Included in this process is for instance the role of the media, industry lobbyists, the "general population" (education, mindset (media) etc). As long as the process doesnt change, the outcome sure wont. Its kind of obvious but when you keep that in mind its no wonder why nothing changes when someone new is elected. And I dont think much has changed about the process thus far.

Also I agree with Cunnah. Most people dont really give a damn one way or the other until they are affected, and Im afraid in Europe the contact is usually reduced to the americas foreign policy and tourists etc. Also, the mindset is often simply another one (socialism, welfare, which would warrant a discussion of its own).

Im usually very skeptical towards patriotism, at least the "fanatical" kind which simply mandates you love the country youre born in because... well theres always a reason, after all its your country. Its the same with religion (dont want to offend, just to bring up an example of something similar); why believe in something simply because you were born in a specific geographic location. If you had been born somewhere else, you might have ended up as a devout... something someone.

Ah, sorry for going a bit over the rail there

[korge]

Why are you upset he closed Guantanamo bay? America was violating human rights, a country of the free where "justice prevails" has a prison where you can get locked up without even a trial, bit ironic no? Complaining about something like this is like saying you're against human rights.

You arent the only ones to think that way.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... 51j7Wp0rrQ

Water boarding terrorists to get information sure is torture.

ffs, get a clue.

[ad_hominem]

Why are you upset he closed Guantanamo bay? America was violating human rights, a country of the free where "justice prevails" has a prison where you can get locked up without even a trial, bit ironic no? Complaining about something like this is like saying you're against human rights.

You arent the only ones to think that way.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... 51j7Wp0rrQ

Water boarding terrorists to get information sure is torture.

ffs, get a clue.

I don't quite see the point you're trying to make there? Just because the Taliban say:

Obama's move to close Guantanamo detention center is a positive step for peace and stability in the region and the world,

This doesn't mean that it's not true. There are a lot of other people saying the same thing, and just because they agree, you think the point is invalidated?

[korge]

First press he does with is some damn al jazeera group talking how he Lovess his muslim heritage (remember that people were called racist for saying his name Hussein), Second he lets the people with direct terrorist ties and the threat to the nation go. Third thing he does is pass over 5 executive orders right out of the box (all of which do nothing for the wellbeing of our nation). Fourth thing he does is get ready to pass his 350 billion... Oh wait, now its 950 billion dollar "stimulus" package which is nothing but paying off all the lame brains that got him in office. In fact, a solid 35 % is ALL pork. Remember when all the whores in washington were praying and saying bring us hope? Bring change. Cut taxes. No lobbyists. No earmarks. So far, all I see is more bush economics mixed with dangerous clinton politics. Almost all that mans cabinet are appointed lobbyists. Even the treasury secretary (a retard from clinton era) skimped on paying his taxes to the IRS UNTIL he was appointed the position. This country is still headed down the same hole and all you foriegners can do is whine and complain and blame our country. Trust me, 47% of americans who voted (not for bush 3, but against this crackpot Clinton2/bush 3) are in the same position. This inside terrorist we call Mr President is doing more harm than good (same as bush and clinton) and I cant see this country taking any more of it. If we have terrorists who know information and we cant get that information b/c of the lame brain liberal who say "We should treat them with respect" and "be nice" should be hung. They are a threat to our nations security. Like I said, this nation is collapsing from the inside and when it does, itll land in the lap of Prince Obama and his cockamamey group of politicians that all socialist europeans adore.

[Cunnah]

And if there not terrorists? you torture someone who knows nothing and then they tell you anything you want to hear just to make it stop you achieve nothing. Another thing is this have you ever asked why any man would climb into a plane and take his own life just to kill americans? They are not stupid people they percieve a great evil in america one that in there own eyes justifies taking there own lives to stop. I don't condone what they have done but by improving americas image you can stop the most extreme forms of terroism. finally what the hell do you think you are fighting for 'land of the free, home of the brave?' you protect nothing by removing freedoms and principles, and bravery is not holding enemies of the state indefinetly in a prison without trial for fear that they may be released.

[KILLA-COW]

I think theres a lot of emotionally charged misled views in this thread.