The 10th Dimension

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Re: The 10th Dimension

Postby Jangalomph on Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:19 am

Spike wrote:Who cares about 10th Dimension. I still don't understand mine.


You said it. Case closed. :lol:
But what if we could bend time?

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Re: The 10th Dimension

Postby Athlete{UK} on Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:11 am

I got the book it's a good read. there are a lot of holes in the explainations but as the guy admits himself he's more a hobbiest really and the book is for the layman. It is absoloutly compelling and the mostly clearly consise work i've ever read on the subject though. And whilst I say there are some holes don't take this to mean the books isn't fantastic and well worth a read.
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Re: The 10th Dimension

Postby Phott on Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:39 pm

I've seen this before, really interesting and mindblowing.

This forum does have depht, there are shadows in some places.
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Re: The 10th Dimension

Postby joe_dirt976 on Tue Mar 03, 2009 4:42 pm

holy fuck! good find, I found this rather fascinating
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Re: The 10th Dimension

Postby kraid on Tue Mar 03, 2009 4:46 pm

A website can have layers, in fact most websites do.
There is a background, on the background there are other things like colored squares, text and pictues.
They are layered and have a z depth to determine which object is in front of another object.
Although in the idea of a Website a single Element has only it's two dimensions but the whole side is allready 3 dimensional.
Now imagine something like a Wiki which is allready 3.5 dimensional, coz you can always see the past but not the future ;) .

The key point of all these Theories is, they are just theories, you won't find a single Thing which is 1d or 2d in our world, even the dot or line on the paper has it's height.
And ppl who are calculating a "proof" for their theories will always idealize things, e.g. an area which is infinite high but has no width is exactly 1.
You cannot have anything which is really infinite in a physical world and the smallest width will always be above zero no matter how close to it.
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Re: The 10th Dimension

Postby zombie@computer on Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:02 pm

kraid wrote:The key point of all these Theories is, they are just theories, you won't find a single Thing which is 1d or 2d in our world, even the dot or line on the paper has it's height.
there is lots of 2d stuff around, yet any representation of it is 3d, as our world is 3d anyways... You can find 2d easy enough, but as soon as you try to give it boungs (eg tie it to an object) you make it 3d.
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Re: The 10th Dimension

Postby coder0xff on Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:31 pm

For example:
[1 0 0]
[0 1 0]
[0 0 1]

The data which this represents is truly two dimensional, even though it can be argued that the representation you see is in 3 dimensions.

Personally, I haven't liked this video since I first saw it. It treats additional dimensions as if your just putting a box inside a box inside a box - ad infinitum. Why not have 100 dimensions? What this fails to recognize is that when extra (typically) spatial dimensions are considered they are orthogonal to each other (each is perpendicular to all others). The 4D cube screen saver is an interesting attempt to demo this, especially if you really take the time to understand what you are seeing. Granted, when we consider time as the 4th dimension, we are no longer talking about spatial dimensions, but he seems to feel it gives him the freedom to correlate higher dimensions as supersets of lower dimensions with arbitrary and meaningless examples. I just makes me want to shout out, "WRONG!" No wonder the layman is, after all, still just a layman.

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Edit: And by the way, the size of the point is not indeterminate. It is infinitesimal. There is a difference.
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Re: The 10th Dimension

Postby source-maps on Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:43 pm

there is a scientist who is working on a machine to bend the 4th dimension with lasers
this way he hopes to receive messages from the future

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Re: The 10th Dimension

Postby coder0xff on Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:56 pm

Can you imagine the implications of a time machine, even if it can only be used to send streams of data back into the past? All the knowledge available in the future would be available very quickly - including how to make a better time machine. The part that could be a problem: If we collect the knowledge from the future, and achieve those advancements sooner, what even-better information will be available in the future, once again communicated back to the present. Sounds like a paradox to me. Is that bad?
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Re: The 10th Dimension

Postby korge on Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:03 pm

I think if there were a time machine in the future, life in the present would show a sign of its existence.

I dont believe time travel or communications with our past will ever be possible.
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Re: The 10th Dimension

Postby joe_dirt976 on Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:04 pm

riddle me this, if all concievable forms and variations of reality are possible, then there would be at least one reality where we have the capability to move from realm to realm, but why haven't we been made aware? And on another thought, perhaps our imagination is just a portal to such a thing. Kind of crazy to think that what we play as video games could perhaps be someone's life story... :shock:
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Re: The 10th Dimension

Postby source-maps on Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:18 pm

coder0xff wrote:Can you imagine the implications of a time machine, even if it can only be used to send streams of data back into the past? All the knowledge available in the future would be available very quickly - including how to make a better time machine. The part that could be a problem: If we collect the knowledge from the future, and achieve those advancements sooner, what even-better information will be available in the future, once again communicated back to the present. Sounds like a paradox to me. Is that bad?


end of the world 2012 maybe :P
or it will be a different dimension, there was a video I watched on that subject to but I cant seem to find it. anyway its sorta described in the 10th dimension video to 'all possible futures'

MrMattWebb wrote:I think if there were a time machine in the future, life in the present would show a sign of its existence.

I dont believe time travel or communications with our past will ever be possible.


well it doesnt work like a normal fictional time machine, you will only be able to 'send' something back in time.. not in the future if im correct. and you can only send it back to the point the machine was turned on

and time traveling is very real, like Einstein said... time is relative
somebody allready time travelled, some russian guy in space, he holds the record for 'longest time in space'
and he time travelled like 0.2 sec or something :P

I know it sounds crazy btw, but its real
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Re: The 10th Dimension

Postby zombie@computer on Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:24 pm

source-maps wrote:
coder0xff wrote:Can you imagine the implications of a time machine, even if it can only be used to send streams of data back into the past? All the knowledge available in the future would be available very quickly - including how to make a better time machine. The part that could be a problem: If we collect the knowledge from the future, and achieve those advancements sooner, what even-better information will be available in the future, once again communicated back to the present. Sounds like a paradox to me. Is that bad?


end of the world 2012 maybe :P
or it will be a different dimension, there was a video I watched on that subject to but I cant seem to find it. anyway its sorta described in the 10th dimension video to 'all possible futures'

MrMattWebb wrote:I think if there were a time machine in the future, life in the present would show a sign of its existence.

I dont believe time travel or communications with our past will ever be possible.


well it doesnt work like a normal fictional time machine, you will only be able to 'send' something back in time.. not in the future if im correct. and you can only send it back to the point the machine was turned on

and time traveling is very real, like Einstein said... time is relative
somebody allready time travelled, some russian guy in space, he holds the record for 'longest time in space'
and he time travelled like 0.2 sec or something :P

I know it sounds crazy btw, but its real
well, now you are just moving to the definition of time...

It is said that in fighter jets, an atomic clock may go faster than outside the jet, simply because of the speeds, it seems certain clock processes go faster. Now does that mean you are travelling in time, or does that mean the thing you measure time with is faulty ?
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Re: The 10th Dimension

Postby Dionysos on Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:50 pm

If theres one "reality" for every possible outcome of everything, wheres the reality where someone destroys all the other realities. Hm, maybe thats kind of universally impossible...
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Re: The 10th Dimension

Postby 904 on Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:53 pm

A very clear explanation.
I've always thought of dimensions (>4) as the SI units, and then there's 9 dimensions..
first 3: meters (space)
4th: seconds (time)
5th: gram (mass)
6th: kelvin (temperature)
7th: ampere (electric current)
8th: mole (amount of substance)
9th: candela (luminosity)
And this is much easier to understand...
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