Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from 9/11

[DocRock]

http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/conte ... 7TOCPJ.SGM

We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we have studied of the dust produced by the destruction of the World Trade Center. Examination of four of these samples, collected from separate sites, is reported in this paper. These red/gray chips show marked similarities in all four samples. One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later. The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC). The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present. The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 °C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic.

pp.7-31 (25) Authors: Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley, Bradley R. Larsen
doi: 10.2174/1874412500902010007

[Sorrow]

And what exactly does that mean? if possible in layman's terms "C4 or not" please.

[ghost12332]

I'm going to pretend that I understand something in this.

Now from what I gather theres these red iron chips that go boom at a certain temperature or something?

[Spas12]

aaaaaaaaaaaand what the fuck does that actually mean?

[Elv02]

I'm thinking he's saying it's C4.

Which I've believed all along.

[ghost12332]

SO wait, does that mean that C4 was planted IN the towers, or that the plane was loaded with C4.

EDIT:

At a time when the American public is finding it difficult to understand the full story behind the current economic crisis, findings of a demolition raise new questions about how the 'War on Terror' -- an enormous source of recent American spending -- was started.

Officials with the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), charged with establishing the cause of the buildings' destruction, have stated that they "did not test for the residue of these compounds in the steel," and that thermite, "or another incendiary compound," would be too difficult to have placed in the buildings without notice.

NIST has stated that such difficulties make demolition unlikely. They concluded that aircraft impacts and the subsequent fires led to the building failures.

Dr. Steven Jones, physicist and author on the paper, says that NIST has refused to test the dust for thermite, super-thermite, or any other accelerant or explosive.

"We've repeatedly asked them to follow standard investigative procedure, to perform these tests and release the results. They haven't."

Jones says such tests may be required by fire protection codes.

Kevin Ryan, chemist and co-author on the paper, explained why he thinks NIST is wrong. "What we've discovered is not conventional thermite -- which is what NIST continues to refer to -- but a highly engineered thermitic material, or 'super thermite', probably designed for just this type of application."

Pre-planned demolition, supporters say, is the 'best-fit' model for the many unusual and unexplained characteristics of the building failures, such as the speed and symmetry of the collapses, and the extreme pulverization of the materials leading to clouds of micron-sized dust particles, described in one insurance report as behaving similar to a "volcanic eruption".

"One of the unusual features that piqued my interest," Jones said, "was the pools of molten metal seen in all three rubble piles, WTC 1, 2 & 7."

[dissonance]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite
Thermite is aluminium and rust, just the kinds of things you'd expect to have in little bits when an airliner and large structurer meet.

[vcool]

I'm going to pretend that I understand something in this.

Now from what I gather theres these red iron chips that go boom at a certain temperature or something?

Basically, yes.

Apparently the destruction of WTC did not go according to what people would predict would happen, if struck by a plane. There was a lot of fine dust after the collapse, and the collapse itself was strikingly symmetrical, and parts of the building were in actual free fall. Obviously it makes people think there was something more to it than the planes. The scientists in the aforementioned paper gathered samples of some of the dust that happened to fall into different peoples hands. One of the samples was collected 10 minutes after the collapse, two on the next day, and one several weeks after.

Their study showed that the chips were highly energetic. They bear striking resemblance to "super-thermite". Conventional thermite is a compund made of Al and Fe2O3 that react to form Al2O3 and Fe. This process releases energy quite fast. I had the chance to see it happen years ago in Gr. 8 . You take a pot, fill it with rust and pure aluminium, and you ignite with a spark. The thing then start to burn quickly and in a couple of seconds you have a solid compund in the form of the pot. Now, notice that regular thermite just burns. According to the paper, "super-thermite" reactions are so abrupt and quick, that they pretty much end up in explosions. The compund is very similar to regular thermite except that the components are mixed very finely, on a nanometer scale (10^-9 meters). Maximum efficiency. Moreover, it is possible to use that compund as paint. When wet, it is very resistive to interactions. When dry, however, the smallest impact will make it go boom.

The chips they found are apparently even MORE reactive than that "super-thermite", per mass.

interesting:

At this point in time, all of the
military services and some DOE and academic
laboratories have active R&D programs aimed
at exploiting

That quote dates to April 2001. Apparently "super-thermite" was researched by American defense labs and regular academics. In fact, according to the paper, Los Alamos labs used that stuff to make super-matches for use in military demolition weapons. Coincidental, eh? (just making a point here, don't want to argue)

[ghost12332]

No, dissonace, the issue is that the modified thermite found in the remains is super-reactive and similar to explosives used by demolition crews to bring buildings down.


Thermite Explosion:

[AndyMacK]

I'd rather that people spent time fixing it instead of quibbling over why it happened. If I drop my cereal, then however much I try to blame my flatmate for the mess, my cereal still remains all over the floor.

That said, I do conceed that it is interesting...

-An

[CanMan]

So the buildings were either rigged to go down before hand, or they just had a nice coat of paint. It's over and done with, who cares.

If someone actually proves that it was all the government and it was rigged and all this shit just so they could start a war, the only thing that's going to do is send America into an even deeper shithole then it is now. It'll turn millions of people and dozens of countries against the American government if they rigged it all, and that's just going to start more war. Worse case scenario, total collapse of the government. Enjoy your anarchy.

[ghost12332]

In that case, I would totally drive across the border to your house can. I mean were only a couple hours away from each other

In Further News:

Thermite was also used in both German and Allied incendiary bombs during World War II. Incendiary bombs usually consisted of dozens of thin thermite-filled canisters (bomblets) ignited by a magnesium fuse.

Mixing water with thermite or pouring water onto burning thermite can cause a steam explosion, spraying hot fragments in all directions.

I find this very interesting, because if the sprinklers went on with Thermite inside, it would further explode.

[vcool]

So the buildings were either rigged to go down before hand, or they just had a nice coat of paint. It's over and done with, who cares.

If someone actually proves that it was all the government and it was rigged and all this shit just so they could start a war, the only thing that's going to do is send America into an even deeper shithole then it is now. It'll turn millions of people and dozens of countries against the American government if they rigged it all, and that's just going to start more war. Worse case scenario, total collapse of the government. Enjoy your anarchy.

Unless it gets covered up.

This is strikingly similar to Watchmen scenario. Giving the public a "common enemy" to unite them, when it's all a lie. I am not saying it was rigged, I am just saying that if it were, it would be similar to Watchmen.

Mixing water with thermite or pouring water onto burning thermite can cause a steam explosion, spraying hot fragments in all directions.

I find this very interesting, because if the sprinklers went on with Thermite inside, it would further explode.

According to the paper, super-thermite has a hard time igniting when wet. BUT the sprinkler system could be used as a delivery system.

[Bema]

If someone actually proves that it was all the government and it was rigged and all this shit just so they could start a war, the only thing that's going to do is send America into an even deeper shithole then it is now. It'll turn millions of people and dozens of countries against the American government if they rigged it all, and that's just going to start more war. Worse case scenario, total collapse of the government. Enjoy your anarchy.

I don't have any time for 9/11 conspiracy theories, but that is a shitty argument for not investigating them if 'evidence' does actually present itself.

[CanMan]

If someone actually proves that it was all the government and it was rigged and all this shit just so they could start a war, the only thing that's going to do is send America into an even deeper shithole then it is now. It'll turn millions of people and dozens of countries against the American government if they rigged it all, and that's just going to start more war. Worse case scenario, total collapse of the government. Enjoy your anarchy.

I don't have any time for 9/11 conspiracy theories, but that is a shitty argument for not investigating them if 'evidence' does actually present itself.

The only reason people are looking for evidence is to prove that the government planned it. Who else is there to blame? If it was only a few people who planned it, or if it was terrorists, they're either dead or in another country now (Because if they can pull off something like that, they're obviously not stupid enough to stick around). The 'war on terror' is already total bullshit and proving no point what so ever, and the off chance that they do find evidence that it was Iraq or Al Qaeda or someone like that (Maybe a big TERRORISTS WUZ HERE STICKER, you know?), then it's just going to prolong the war, cost more lives, and throw America deeper into economic depression. The only evidence found points straight to an inside job, so keep digging, you're only making it worse for yourselves.

I can keep going, but it's sunday and I really don't give a shit.