Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from 9/11

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Re: Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from 9/11

Postby vcool on Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:31 pm

Mr-Jigsaw wrote:And George Bush is a mason.

Ok, but seriously, thermite isn't quite an explosive is the typical sense, it burns rather than exploding outward.


You have obviously not read the paper then, because it says there that it was not conventional thermite but a kind of "super-thermite", which in a sense is conventional thermite with one big difference in that the reactants are mixed on a nanoscale level, making the reaction almost instantaneous. Very quick release of energy ~ explosion.

It's similar to placing Lithium and Caesium in water. Lithium burns in water quickly, and Caesium does too but even quicker resulting in an explosion.

If it'd be conventional thermite, there'd be no discussion. ;) (or certainly the conclusion could be different; regular thermite can be bought anywhere while super-thermite is some pretty hi-tech stuff.)
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Re: Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from 9/11

Postby DocRock on Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:48 pm

It's sad how people generalize alot of this information, and say 'get over it, it's been 8 years ago' or tell other people to shove off because they're tired of listening to conspiracy theories or whatnot on the subject.

Maybe people should ask some of the parents of those killed if they want to get over it. Maybe someone should tell them to shove off.

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Re: Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from 9/11

Postby Mr-Jigsaw on Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:06 am

Sorry about that, didn't read the paper. Super-thermite, eh? I didn't realize there was such a thing. I only knew about the type mythbusters used to cut a car in half.
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Re: Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from 9/11

Postby Sathor on Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:26 am

Brainiac ftw!

Normal thermite is bad enough, what I have seen so far.
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Re: Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from 9/11

Postby CorporalAris on Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:17 am

Wait, the terrorists couldn't have packed it along with them. Impossible!
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Re: Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from 9/11

Postby vcool on Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:39 am

The catch is that super-thermite is produced in hi-tech facilities and apparently the only reference of "super-thermite" the authors of the paper could find was from some paper concerning US defence. In other words, US was the only country that was able to produce it.

I think the difficulty of producing such an explosive is overblown, but it does raise questions.
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Re: Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from 9/11

Postby dissonance on Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:09 am

thermite isn't an explosive, it's used to weld railroad rails together.
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Re: Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from 9/11

Postby vcool on Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:21 am

dissonance wrote:thermite isn't an explosive, it's used to weld railroad rails together.


:hint:

vcool wrote:
Mr-Jigsaw wrote:And George Bush is a mason.

Ok, but seriously, thermite isn't quite an explosive is the typical sense, it burns rather than exploding outward.


You have obviously not read the paper then, because it says there that it was not conventional thermite but a kind of "super-thermite", which in a sense is conventional thermite with one big difference in that the reactants are mixed on a nanoscale level, making the reaction almost instantaneous. Very quick release of energy ~ explosion.

It's similar to placing Lithium and Caesium in water. Lithium burns in water quickly, and Caesium does too but even quicker resulting in an explosion.

If it'd be conventional thermite, there'd be no discussion. ;) (or certainly the conclusion could be different; regular thermite can be bought anywhere while super-thermite is some pretty hi-tech stuff.)


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Re: Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from 9/11

Postby mky on Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:42 am

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Re: Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from 9/11

Postby dissonance on Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:56 am

vcool wrote::rtfm:
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Still, "super thermite" would just burn faster, anything else and it's a whole new ballgame.

Still, subject is overdone.
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Re: Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from 9/11

Postby vcool on Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:58 am

This post is scheduled for deletion, as it contributed absolutely nothing to the Serious Discussion in this thread.

Please move on.
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Re: Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from 9/11

Postby dissonance on Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:49 am

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Re: Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from 9/11

Postby vcool on Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:56 am

Diss, look above. Who's the troll now? :P

Back on topic, I fully agree with DocRock. I was actually waiting for someone to say that, but no one did. :/

Yes, the truth may end up getting US in a deeper shithole than it is now, but using the argument of "Who still cares" is really stupid. YOU may not directly benefit from the truth, but think of all the indirect victims, parents, friends, colleagues. Would they be happy to know they've been lied to about the deaths of their loved ones for 8 years? I don't think so. They deserve to know what really happened.
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Re: Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from 9/11

Postby dissonance on Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:42 am

Any intelligent American should have realized by now that their government is manipulating the living shit out of them.
Pearl Harbor -> Gulf of Tonkin -> September Eleventh.
I don't believe for a second that our government perpetrated the attacks on the WTC or Pentagon, but I am damned certain that they allowed the attacks to happen. There's a Frontline episode called The Man who Knew; go watch it. It's depressing as all fuck.

v: I was referring to the OP.
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Re: Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from 9/11

Postby dragonfliet on Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:40 pm

I'd just like to point out that they found this thermite like composition made up .01% of dust from the samples (pg 23) and that this was unreacted (25)--because otherwise it would have been used up --obviously--, which is to say leftover. Now given that the load for the towers is estimated at 500,000 tons, that means that there was, according to this study 50 TONS of UNREACTED thermite left over. Let's say that only 90% of it exploded, that means that some 500 tons of the stuff were used. If 95% exploded, that's 1,000 tons.

Not a shabby conspiracy that not only manages to hijack some airplanes, but it also paints some 500-1000 tons of super thermite onto the support beams... Especially for an organization that couldn't even get correct intelligence on the WMD status of Iraq right...

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