Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from 9/11

[dissonance]

Especially for an organization that couldn't even get correct intelligence on the WMD status of Iraq right...

Of course we're going to know when a country has chemical and biological weapons when we fucking gave them to them.

[wood250]

Now given that the load for the towers is estimated at 500,000 tons, that means that there was, according to this study 50 TONS of UNREACTED thermite left over. Let's say that only 90% of it exploded, that means that some 500 tons of the stuff were used. If 95% exploded, that's 1,000 tons.

the load of the towers may have been 500'000 tons.
but not all the debris was dust.
in fact most of it was very large structural pieces which were removed.
it says "0.01% of the dust sample"--- not 0.01% of the whole tower
so your calcualtions are incorrect.

[Sorrow]

I'd just like to point out that they found this thermite like composition made up .01% of dust from the samples (pg 23) and that this was unreacted (25)--because otherwise it would have been used up --obviously--, which is to say leftover. Now given that the load for the towers is estimated at 500,000 tons, that means that there was, according to this study 50 TONS of UNREACTED thermite left over. Let's say that only 90% of it exploded, that means that some 500 tons of the stuff were used. If 95% exploded, that's 1,000 tons.

Not a shabby conspiracy that not only manages to hijack some airplanes, but it also paints some 500-1000 tons of super thermite onto the support beams... Especially for an organization that couldn't even get correct intelligence on the WMD status of Iraq right...

~Jason

err I don't know what your calculations are and regardless we shouldn't be doing any.

He calculated that the approximate maximum wind shear force that a single face needed to withstand to be somewhere around 11,000,000 pounds. The gravity loads (weight) produced by the towers at their bases were on the order of 500,000 tons, Fowler said.

They didn't (if this were true, which it probably isn't) have to paint the towers with thermite, small blocks along some support columns would've been enough right? you get this pancake effect and then all floors start stacking and collapsing on eachother, bye tower.

what made you think of the 500 / 1000 tons of supposed painted on thermite? Watching brainiac teaches me that a handful is enough to melt through a thick plate of steel.

[vcool]

Because in the paper, it said that in their samples, 0.01% was the super-thermite. In other words, out of all dust they had, 0.01% was super-thermite. They go on to assume that was the concentration in the beginning and thus, according to the calculations of dragonfliet, 50 000 tons had to be super-thermite.

I think the uncertainty in that 0.01% is so large that you can't assume it for the whole tower. The samples (the tower and the pile of dust the scientists used) are of several orders of magnitude different by size. This is also assuming the distribution was uniform which may not be the case.

[popcornjake]

Without bothering to fish through hours worth of "evidence" I think it is just as plausible for it to have been an inside job as it was terrorists. I'll make up my mind either when somebody comes forth with completely infallible proof that supports all the speculation, or when Obama says it was an inside job.

Though for now, I'll just consider the similarities between the 1933 Reichstag fire and 9/11.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire

P.S I love living in somewhat terrorist free Australia

[Meotwister]

I haven't checked any of these topic threads in quite some time and I'm pretty surprised there's this many people who still hold on to the belief it was an "inside job".

The new "smoking gun" must be this super-thermite. Someone should let Obama know so he can retreat the troops completely from this entirely manufactured war! I suppose he'd know by now if it was or not, but Afghanistan here we come!

Now I don't want to incite any thermite flaming in here but what exactly was wrong with the theory that radical Islamic terrorists bent on the destruction of the Western World (who had publicly declared war on us a couple of times beforehand) had the plan to hijack planes with small knives and fake bombs and fly them into major American landmarks as a part of their jihad against the United States and the West? Large passenger airliner into a building, several floors of the structure weaken, pancake collapsing occurs (air pressure creating the horizontal plumes), and then there's debris and dust everywhere?

There's also the fact that al-qaeda claimed responsibility for it and KSM confessed to his dealings in the matter (albeit under various detained conditions, but the man must have been very loyal to his radical beliefs). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_Shaikh_Mohammed

Someone had pointed out earlier that they thought it wasn't an inside job but possibly was allowed to happen. I'm not necessarily against this theory either. The whole thing could have been our 2nd Pearl Harbor to get us to go back over to the Middle East to clean up what we left there from the Gulf War (Saddam). I'd buy that sooner than the government creating some ridiculously complex self-bombing plot to go over to the middle east to destabilize it for some good ol' oil and profit.

[DocRock]

[DocRock]

[quote="Meotwister"]
Now I don't want to incite any thermite flaming in here but what exactly was wrong with the theory that radical Islamic terrorists bent on the destruction of the Western World (who had publicly declared war on us a couple of times beforehand) had the plan to hijack planes with small knives and fake bombs and fly them into major American landmarks as a part of their jihad against the United States and the West? Large passenger airliner into a building, several floors of the structure weaken, pancake collapsing occurs (air pressure creating the horizontal plumes), and then there's debris and dust everywhere?
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That right there in bold is the biggest conspiracy theory ever created....that 9 men had the power to shut down the entire US Air defence grid (NORAD) with box cutters.

[Elv02]

I'm going to stray off the topic and ask a question about the general 9/11. Not to pick sides on whether it was a conspiracy or not, but did they ever manage to explain how the hell both towers came down in on themselves... Almost like a demolition? Even if explosives were inside or not, would the terrorists not want to see more destruction by having the towers fall on other buildings?

[BillyDa59]

I'm going to stray off the topic and ask a question about the general 9/11. Not to pick sides on whether it was a conspiracy or not, but did they ever manage to explain how the hell both towers came down in on themselves... Almost like a demolition? Even if explosives were inside or not, would the terrorists not want to see more destruction by having the towers fall on other buildings?

It wasn't about optimal physical destruction, it was about hitting the world trade center. The idea was to cripple America's infrastructure.

[dragonfliet]

So yeah, after watching the video (his guess is 10-100 tons of thermite, btw, so I'm like 10x too much in my wild guesstimate), I have even less faith in this. I'm curious to see if there is any sort of legitimate response to this paper, however.

~Jason