A sad day for democracy

[Enraged]

Look at it logically.

Equality is positive. Racism is negative.
Democracy is positive. Censorship is negative.

A democracy where there is equality is perfect. ( Positive + Positive = Positive)

A democracy where there is racism is negative. (Positive + Negative = Negative)

A censorship against equality is negative. (Negative + Positive = Negative)

CENSORSHIP OF RACISM IS POSITIVE. (Negative + Negative = Positive)

So should we ban the BNP or not? According to the logic, we should, but I don't approve of censorship, but nor do I approve of racism. Yes, it's obviously unfortunate that the scum got into power, but we should we censor them or not is the more important and effective question here.

[zombie@computer]

Look at it logically.

Equality is positive. Racism is negative.
Democracy is positive. Censorship is negative.

A democracy where there is equality is perfect. ( Positive + Positive = Positive)

A democracy where there is racism is negative. (Positive + Negative = Negative)

A censorship against equality is negative. (Negative + Positive = Negative)

CENSORSHIP OF RACISM IS POSITIVE. (Negative + Negative = Positive)

So should we ban the BNP or not? According to the logic, we should, but I don't approve of censorship, but nor do I approve of racism. Yes, it's obviously unfortunate that the scum got into power, but we should we censor them or not is the more important and effective question here.

your logic is flawed. +100 + -3 = +97 ...

[Dionysos]

Also, you can't just apply math like that Cencorship should be avoided at all costs; if something really is that bad, pull it out in the open so it can debated on a reasonable level where it can't defend itself without resorting to slogans and falls short on logic. Censorship makes a public debate impossible, thus allowing for bad arguements and half-cooked reasoning to flourish amongst the uninformed.

[Sorrow]

lol negative x negative = positive you dummy not "+"

[KILLA-COW]

I think Enraged needs to logically look at his mathmatical aptitude.

[Sacul15]

Equality is positive. Racism is negative.
Democracy is positive. Censorship is negative.

Not necessarily and not always. I would much rather have a society where some are super-rich and some are regular rich than one where all are equally poor. I don't see the problem with distinguishing between races. Blacks are genetically (on average) stronger than other races. Asians generally live longer than other races. The problem isn't making these distinctions, but the acts that sometimes follow doing so, such as violence, political disenfranchisement, etc., which are wrong no matter what race someone is. Democracy isn't good. It's just usually not as bad as everything else we've tried. A monarch who treats his people well and guarantees individual rights is always better than a mob which doesn't. And censorship is usually wrong, but I can think of scenarios where censorship, if temporary and when lives are in danger, is necessary. For instance, military reporters should be censored temporarily if they know about a secret attack or event that is going to take place.

[Enraged]

Ok, it was just a generalization that when a negative meets with a negative you get a positive. (Obviously not with addition.) It was just a generalization again with what is deemed as positive and negative. Sacul gave perfect examples of possible exceptions, but the main point of all of that still remains: Would you support banning the BNP, and if you had the power, would you do so?

[Woe Kitten]

Only if no one votes will democracy be abolished. That's not gonna happen... it will only change through war or a revolution brought about by crisis.

The low level of voter turnout in the UK that supposedly allowed the BNP to get these has been instrumental in causing Gordon Brown to promise significant political overhauls. It's not true that change only happens through war or revolution. I agree that abstaining from voting voices your disapproval of the system and events show that it works like that. There are times when apathy isn't an option and those are the times that getting out to vote is essential. These are not those times however.

On everything that followed Dionysos post: lol

[FlynT]

I agree that child-porn needs to be banned from all locations where it can appear. But banning alone will change nothing, its only out of our minds. At the end they will produce it further and distribute them like "Snuff" (if that really exists). But i'm pretty sure that this Law was made for more as only for child-porn, i'm mean the latest discussions about banning "brutal" games are the best evidence.

But i've got a serious question about that! Did they really have the ability to ban computer games?

Another point are the pirates party, ok they have some good Arguments against this baning bullshit but there position about patents are more than adventurous. I mean look, if they really remove any option to save or sell your work more than one industry will crash.

But yeah i have to agree the program that runs currently in Europe is more than bizarre.

[Mr. Happy]

democracy is a inherently untenable.

[R26]

c) In an economic downturn people get desperate. Desperate people need someone to blame. Race is the easiest thing to blame.

QFT. The Nazi's did it, worked out pretty good for them.

[SlappyBag]

This year there was quite a bit of protest votes. As people have said if you don't vote you don't have you say but there isn't a way to just vote "NO" to anything, you have to vote "FOR" something, anything. So people voted for underdogs, inc BNP and I'd assume that might be how they got their seats - too many protests.


I don't really know, thats more of putting an idea out there. This was my first year of being legally able to vote (I'm 18 whoop whoop) so I really don't know and to me all the political parties are exactly the same.

[marks]

Protest votes = lack of forethought. If you don't support the candidates, don't fucking vote.

[KILLA-COW]

THE CONCEPT OF A PROTEST VOTE IS INTERNALLY SELF-CONTRADICTING.

[Chopium]

THE CONCEPT OF A PROTEST VOTE IS INTERNALLY SELF-CONTRADICTING.

Sig, anyone?