Incompetent Country (Norway)

[Jorg40]

Norway is such a dumbass country that rather would spend money on these Automatic Speed Controls that measures your average speed over a distance, than creating barriers that separates the two driving directions.

With the current road standard in Norway that is so poor, we should have used money on fixing that.
Instead this fucking country is spending it on these Automatic Control shit that local people shoot to death with their shotguns. (Yes, we are so pissed at these things.)

It is not while speeding the majority of road accidents in Norway happends.

Number one reason is; poor roads, that is extremely dangerous in the winter even at the lowest speeds. People easily drift over in the other driving direction.

Suicide. There are more suicides in this country than deaths on the road.

550 people commit suicide each year in Norway. And we are just a population of 4,7 Million people. That is probably just the size of a small city in USA.

Now in these statistics, it never tells you how the suicides were committed. But I know for a fact that people many of the suicides each year are people driving solo in their car waiting for a trailer coming straight towards them to hit it in a front against front collision.

A sick country we live indeed. I have a theory, that we all live our lives too good. So when people experiences a period of depression they simply can't handle it. It is a strong theory and proven several times by people I once knew.

Norway should do something.

I hope more people have some opinions on this case.

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Norway is such a dumbass country that rather would spend money on these Automatic Speed Controls that measures your average speed over a distance, than creating barriers that separates the two driving directions.

With the current road standard in Norway that is so poor, we should have used money on fixing that.
Instead this fucking country is spending it on these Automatic Control shit that local people shoot to death with their shotguns. (Yes, we are so pissed at these things.)

Automatic Speed Controls = Good thing. Speeding is indeed lethal, anyone claiming otherwise is stupid.
Barriers between the driving directions = Good thing. The Norwegian government are morons for not prioritizing it. It's not like we can't afford both...

And exactly where were those control boxes shot down with a shotgun? I know there was a few somewhere north in my county, and according to the local media, those were sabotaged by some moron who cut some cables. And they are the only one in the country so far I've been told.

It is not while speeding the majority of road accidents in Norway happends.

Number one reason is; poor roads, that is extremely dangerous in the winter even at the lowest speeds. People easily drift over in the other driving direction.

Suicide. There are more suicides in this country than deaths on the road.

Now in these statistics, it never tells you how the suicides were committed. But I know for a fact that people many of the suicides each year are people driving solo in their car waiting for a trailer coming straight towards them to hit it in a front against front collision.

I'm not going to comment on the quality of the roads here as I haven't really driven anywhere except for between the cities on the east coast. I know that I've never seen a bad road here, and I do believe that the whole "Norway has shitty roads" is largely exaggerated. There are countries with little or no road network at all, and they seem to do fine traffic wise, so I'm not going to snap because there's a hole in the road between the villages of north Norway. But as I said, that's just my impression of the situation, I've never really experienced the roads of this country.

Also, I don't see how the suicides are related to traffic deaths. I've never heard of a single case where someone killed himself by drifting over in the wrong direction. I'm not saying you're lying, but if someone does that, they're most likely going to get themself killed anyway, no matter how good the roads are. I blame our psychology system. It is by far the shittiest public institution here, it's no wonder the suicide rates are through the roof.

A sick country we live indeed. I have a theory, that we all live our lives too good. So when people experiences a period of depression they simply can't handle it. It is a strong theory and proven several times by people I once knew.

Norway should do something.

I don't see your point. If you meant "we all have too good lives", as in "we don't know what a hard time is", then I kinda agree with you. When you say "we all live our lives too good", I think of people actually doing what makes them happy, spending their money on travelling to exotic places etc, IE being happy. How can doing what you love make you depressed? But yeah, some people surely have too good lives, not everyone.

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That sounded less than a serious discussion topic and more like a swearing rant.

[Jorg40]

Automatic Speed Controls = Good thing. Speeding is indeed lethal, anyone claiming otherwise is stupid.
Barriers between the driving directions = Good thing. The Norwegian government are morons for not prioritizing it. It's not like we can't afford both...

And exactly where were those control boxes shot down with a shotgun? I know there was a few somewhere north in my county, and according to the local media, those were sabotaged by some moron who cut some cables. And they are the only one in the country so far I've been told.

There is several that is shotgunned in Trøndelag because of their location. They position them where the road goes in a straight line and you can actually increase the speed a little without doing any harm and keep the trafick flowing , instead they should have used them where people/idiots that really is speeding drives and cause tragic events.

The people who blows out the missplaced ACPs have my full support. As long as the ACPs does what it is supposed to, I have nothing against it. But the sad fact is, it does not do anything. Especially in my area.

I've been around norway, and several places I can understand the position of the ACP, but most times, I really don't. The problem is that it will never stop the people who really are responsible for accidents.

I'm not going to comment on the quality of the roads here as I haven't really driven anywhere except for between the cities on the east coast. I know that I've never seen a bad road here, and I do believe that the whole "Norway has shitty roads" is largely exaggerated. There are countries with little or no road network at all, and they seem to do fine traffic wise, so I'm not going to snap because there's a hole in the road between the villages of north Norway. But as I said, that's just my impression of the situation, I've never really experienced the roads of this country.

While in the army, I experienced several close to death experiences up-north because of poor roads. A truck (this was in the winter) transporting my teams snowmobiles to the designated area became a 14 tons sled because of poor maintenance of the road, he was keeping a respective speed aswell. We also experienced blown out tires because of holes in the road.
And small roads, that both civilian busses and the army uses daily.

The road quality is better south, but up-north... It is still dangerous on the road. I live in Midt-Norge (Middle-Norway) and the roads there are average.

"There are countries with little or no road network at all, and they seem to do fine traffic wise,"
They drive jeeps and doesnt have same amount of trafick we have. I understand what you mean, but take Mongolia for example, or maybe Somalia. The roads there are wider (still gravel, but wider), cars can keep better distance from eachother and the roads goes mostly in a straight line.

Also, I don't see how the suicides are related to traffic deaths. I've never heard of a single case where someone killed himself by drifting over in the wrong direction. I'm not saying you're lying, but if someone does that, they're most likely going to get themself killed anyway, no matter how good the roads are. I blame our psychology system. It is by far the shittiest public institution here, it's no wonder the suicide rates are through the roof.

Killing yourself in a car vs trailer situation is perfect, the driver in the trailer wont get hurt and it would look like an accident so the family didn't have to live with the fact that their son or daughter was committing suicide.
It is sort of a "kind way to commit suicide".
I may sound harsh, but it is the living truth few people wish to accept. A friend of mine hanged himself with a belt. His family were never the same again because of his "psychologic condition" which they never could believe was true, neither could I.

I find it hard to explain in english, maybe I should have dropped this discussion. Since it is really hard to make up good points, I may have overrated my skills in english.

I don't see your point. If you meant "we all have too good lives", as in "we don't know what a hard time is", then I kinda agree with you. When you say "we all live our lives too good", I think of people actually doing what makes them happy, spending their money on travelling to exotic places etc, IE being happy. How can doing what you love make you depressed? But yeah, some people surely have too good lives, not everyone.

This is why we can't take a downfall, we can travel whenever we want and buy whatever we want, people have extremely good lives. So when a downfall appears (financial, break-up or some other tragic event), some can't handle it. Few of us know what a hard time is, and that hard times don't last forever.
I tried explaining that to my friend, didn't quite work out as I planned.

That sounded less than a serious discussion topic and more like a swearing rant.

I know, I am really sorry about that. But as a Norwegain, and from my region, it is in my nature to swear.
I will try to avoid that in the future. It never looks good in english and maybe especially in the serious discoussion forum.

[zombie@computer]

your roads cant be as bad as belgian roads...

[punky]

your roads cant be as bad as belgian roads...

Haha, what's so wrong with our roads then?

[The Wanderer]

your roads cant be as bad as belgian roads...

Haha, what's so wrong with our roads then?

Ever been to Bruges? And i mean the city, not the surroundings. Those roads are god awful, a true relic from the middle ages... Actually, the entire city of Bruges is a relic, half the people living there is above 40, it's like a gathering of death over here...

[RC-1290]

Ah, those lovely narrow mountain roads, those gave me some memories. In my childhood we often went to Norway (the choice was either France or Norway) on vacation. Those roads on which you had a mountain wall on one side, and a deep drop to a fjord on the other were scary as hell, but together with the tunnels, it was exciting as well. And yea, all those Norwegians were flying by like it was a 4 lane highway.

Some wider roads would be nice, although I think that's very tricky, because there are a lot of roads like that and they would all have to close down to remove the rock with explosives. That's mighty expensive. Even more expensive if you decide to do with all with pickaxes and take 100 years per road.

By the way, why would you kill yourself by getting hit if you have tons of cliffs to choose from? Except from the long walk... Well, halfway up, you've probably changed your mind.

[punky]

your roads cant be as bad as belgian roads...

Haha, what's so wrong with our roads then?

Ever been to Bruges? And i mean the city, not the surroundings. Those roads are god awful, a true relic from the middle ages... Actually, the entire city of Bruges is a relic, half the people living there is above 40, it's like a gathering of death over here...

Haha I have to agree with that though, been there a few times, and didn't like it at all, that place is dead...

[Dionysos]

I couldnt agree more with the thread starter. Seriously. On one side, we've got crazy ass maniacs who just snap (klikke) and basically cause the worst headlines in the newspapers. Those then encourage politicians to set up speed cams, but those don't really stop the ones responsible anyways. The speed limits are often poorly placed, either too low or too high, and I would wager the roads in norway to be ranking amongst the worst in scandinavia. Considering the money we have, and considering how much fucking money they make with the toll roads that infest all the crucial points and roads (it's basically road-side robbery) it's crazy. Only a fraction of that money is used on roads, and when a road is payed off, often they just keep the toll charge because people have gotten used to it. Every foreigner I know complains about the roads in norway, and people going north use the swedish roads because they are safer and better. If you have driven in Germany, Sweden or Denmark you have to acknowledge the poor standard of norwegian roads (main roads even).

If the "speeding" is too fast for the road you're driving on, then of course it can be lethal. But I often wonder whether the people placing the speed limits here are really only political monkeys. Setting up speed cams instead of improving roads is a nice way of blaming the drivers (see snow examples above) and making moneyz.

The best example of the norwegian traffic policy can be on a big sign when entering norway via sweden in the south:
"Road safety is your responsibility." Yeah, but not just mine. I pay my taxes for safe, good roads dammit.
Not to mention the improvement a more efficient infrastructure would bring the economy...

Yes, this is mostly a rant, but hey just had to let it out.