Almost Stabbed In Mistaken Attack

[ad_hominem]

Well, I will never own a firearm or knife or anything. They only exacerbate things.

[Gary]

Well, I will never own a firearm or knife or anything. They only exacerbate things.

But what if the guy is about to just stab/shoot you anyways, they don't always leave you in peace after they mug you. At least you could make an attempt to survive. With no weapon, you have much less chance.

Also, I would rather the guy be dead/injured instead of him running off with my stuff. Would serve the bastard right. So for now I carry a knife and when I am at the legal age, I will have a gun.

[NBRXXN]

Well, I will never own a firearm or knife or anything. They only exacerbate things.

But what if the guy is about to just stab/shoot you anyways, they don't always leave you in peace after they mug you. At least you could make an attempt to survive. With no weapon, you have much less chance.

Also, I would rather the guy be dead/injured instead of him running off with my stuff. Would serve the bastard right. So for now I carry a knife and when I am at the legal age, I will have a gun.

i carry a knife but only because i am super paranoid of kidnapings or stuff like that. Experts do say that the best way to survive a mugging is to just give the person your money. so i will probobly never use my knife but it makes me feel much safer.

[Gary]

Yeah, last thing I want is a knife fight. I would most likely just try to use it as a deterrent and actuality use it only in attempt to stop possibly harm to myself.

Also, I highly doubt I will be kidnapped, as I am barely even a "kid" anymore, kidnappers go after 6 year-olds not 16 year-olds.

[NBRXXN]

Yeah, but like I said, I only carry it because I am super paranoid.

[cz_squishy]

I always plan how much I'm going to spend when going somewhere ( and I'm not a big spender) so I can have a minimal amount of money on me and I won't lose all my money to some damn mugger.

[MNM]

I plan on getting a firearm once I'm out of college

Same here

I plan on disliking you once you're out of college

[Unstoppable Florence]

Guns being legal in the UK is a non-issue.
It's never going to happen, and there's good reason for it.
They're less of a deterrent and more of a means.

This confusingly skewed idea that a rising crime level can be capped by legalising firearms to allow people to "defend themselves" from the criminals is just silly.
"But Huntey," you cry, "Criminals are able to get their hands on guns anyway! So why not just make them available to everyone?"
This point which was made earlier ("Like that stops anything") shouldn't even warrant an answer. Of course it stops the majority of gun-related crime. Look at the statistics. How many gun-related homicides are there in America where guns are legal? Compare that to the number in Britain.
Arming everyone just makes everyone potentially very, very dangerous.
Yes, the occasional criminal has a gun, and yes, we are pretty much defenceless against them, but that's a damn sight better than every criminal having a gun.
"But Huntey, only law abiding citizens with no record can own a gun!"
Right, aye, Ok, because that clearly prevents gun crime in America.

The fallacy here is comparing the current statistics of America with those of the UK. Of course there will be vast differences; we have different cultures and different sets of social problems. Point is: gun crime has risen enormously in the UK since the firearm bans. Do you know why? Because all the ban did was take away a hobby for 150,000 people. Almost overnight, because of one bad egg, people were suddenly 'criminals' who had to comply with an 'amnesty.' The ban had no effect on the unregistered guns used in the vast majority of crimes. It's an absolute joke, and this 'ban everything that looks sharp' attitude is still rolling on ahead. Airsoft was nearly made illegal in the UK a few years back.

And for the record, 'self-defense' is not a valid reason to own a handgun in my opinion. They aren't a defensive device... lol.

[Enraged]

Thanks for all the responses guys, it's nice to hear people's opinions.

Some people have stated that dressing appropriately is important, and they are completely right. As I said though, I'd just come out of the test wearing my suit, so I didn't really have a choice there. Also, suits are a standard piece of clothing. I could dress as a hoody, and hope other hoody's didn't attack me, but I'd rather be attacked by them then be classed as one of them.

As for running, I'm not against the idea, but it all depends on the situation. In my case, it didn't seem worth the risk since I didn't have anything for him to take, and I had my bag on me which is a thick military style bag, (It's actually a Halo 3 bag. I'm not proud of it, but it is a very good bag. (Second bracket, I am not a woman or gay, so screw you! )) which if he had tried to knife me I could quite easily have blocked with, atleast long enough to back up to and through the school gate. If I'd actually been of the religion he thought I was, and wasn't able to convince him otherwise, he probably would have stabbed me regardless of what I gave him.

As for carrying a weapon, the only thing I had on me were pens from the exam. If Jason Bourne and a guy who accidentally stabbed himself back in my Junior school taught me anything, pens can be quite fucking dangerous. I will never carry a knife. Pepper spray I would consider. I have used, and have been trained in the use of firearms, but am not sure whether I would want to carry one.

Also, that's how a lot of guns get loose in the US. I remember reading a story about a man who had a gun on him, having his possesions and the gun stolen by another mugger with a gun of his own. The stolen gun was then used on a number of people, until another mugger from the original was eventually killed by a police officer. I think this was in Chicago or something, but it shows how they can get around.

EDIT: Also, I've specifically left out the names of the religions involved here in an attempt to avoid racism, so keep it civil. I have no doubt you've all got an idea of which religion's were involved and you're almost certainly right.

[Dionysos]

... The ban had no effect on the unregistered guns used in the vast majority of crimes. It's an absolute joke, and this 'ban everything that looks sharp' attitude is still rolling on ahead. Airsoft was nearly made illegal in the UK a few years back....

I think this is the crucial point. Again, if you ban something (drugs, alcohol, prostitution) the criminals won't care anyways, because as the name implies, they commit crimes against the law. Thus you push the entire matter underground and thereby do more damage than allowing it under strict regulations. I'm fine with people owning machine guns as long as they have to pass training and security exams etc. But as I said this regulating shit is simply a new age of degeneration where people can (and are encouraged to!) go to war before they can have a strong drink...

Just to sum it up: weapons can be used defensively, but it's illusionary to think that people in general can.

[Unstoppable Florence]

Just to sum it up: weapons can be used defensively, but it's illusionary to think that people in general can.

I agree. If you quickshot someone's arm before they can draw their weapon, suddenly you've just used it in a defensive way. But honestly, how many people could do that?

More than likely they'll fumble with it and end up either being shot, or fatally shooting someone who could have been disabled (not that the agressor's wellbeing should be anyone's main concern). Enraged made a good point about crims getting firearms through theft, another example of why the average untrained joe should not pack heat.

[Major Banter]

SAS, the most highly trained military unit on the planet with a damn near perfect service record, specifically state than in a live-or-die situation, you draw your weapon and go for the body mass.

My prediction as an Airsoft player is that you're more likely to miss, fumble, shoot your foot or simply get shot yourself.

And even if you do fire, you'll go straight for the body mass. One soldier was asked "why don't you go for the legs?" - "because it's not in your nature to. The adrenaline's pumping, you're scared, you're on the brink of panicking as the target brings his weapon to bear. The training is the only thing that makes you bring up your gun and double tap, straight into the head or chest. People going on about not being scared or being able to 'limb shot' the target are bullshitters. It's nonsense"

So do grow up people. Weapons are not the answer. You should never engage anyone with a weapon unless you have absolutely no choice whatsoever. The quickest way to have no choice? Carry a weapon.

Nuclear weapons are the same principle; "you've got some, I better get some". What complete and utter idiocy.

It is my opinion Dion, that giving people legal use of firearms is very different to drugs. Firearms kill. Drugs are for personal recreation. Stupid comparision. This is the one case where I would say legalising would be the most utterly stupid move for any government. A country with strict weapon control is given legalisation? No matter how long the 'bedding-in' period we're looking at a fucking big jump in crime rates.

Until you've seen what a weapon can do to someone and thier mind, you cannot blindly support firearms.

[Gary]

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Nuclear weapons are the same principle; "you've got some, I better get some". What complete and utter idiocy.
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If someone had no nukes, then they are now open to being controlled by someone with nukes.

The way I look at it, Nukes have saved more lives then they have taken. All the super powers of this world have nukes, if one tried to fight the other, they take the risk of being completely destroyed. Nukes are a great deterrent. Really, it's idiocy to think that we could get along without nukes or some sort of weapon of mass destruction. I am not a pro-war guy, I might sound like it, but I am not, I would love it if we didn't have to have a another war ever again, but unless one super power controls the entire planet(not saying I want this), there will always be war.

I will no longer de-rail this thread, if we really need to continue this I recommend we start a new thread.

[Ich 666]

Yeah firearms are definitely not the thing you want to carry in such situation. If youre against a knife fighter it takes too long to bring your gun up (unless you run away first and then shoot the guy(s), which would be stupid) and if you can bring a gun to a fight, the bad guys can too! Lets say you carry pepper spray with you: you will be able to pretty much own them - BUT only the first time. Because they arent totally stupid! If you meet them again theyll be most likely carry something more dangerous weapons than a knife. And then youre screwed.

[Dionysos]

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It is my opinion Dion, that giving people legal use of firearms is very different to drugs. Firearms kill. Drugs are for personal recreation. Stupid comparision. This is the one case where I would say legalising would be the most utterly stupid move for any government. A country with strict weapon control is given legalisation? No matter how long the 'bedding-in' period we're looking at a fucking big jump in crime rates.

Until you've seen what a weapon can do to someone and thier mind, you cannot blindly support firearms.

I don't think they're that much different at all, except in the possible ways they can be abused. That's why I said "I said "I'm fine with people owning machine guns as long as they have to pass training and security exams etc". Guns can and are used for personal recreation, and since they are also potentially more dangerous than (many) drugs to others, people should only get one if they have no criminal history and pass said exams and remain active in their sport. I don't know what you mean by the "given legislation". This kind of legislation is in place in some European countries, and those aren't worse off than for instance the UK, since...

weapons used for crime usually are bought on the black market, no matter the regulations. It's cheaper, legal weapons can be traced to their owner and criminals probably want more suitable guns than sporting pistols/rifles anyways. My point still applies. I'm also not blindly supporting firearms, that would be like saying I'm blindly supporting chemistry because it can do horrible things, I'm simply not blaming guns for what people do. Shooting can be fun, but guns aren't toys.