MayheM wrote: But really politically, he came out of nowhere. He was a Senator for two years before he ran.
Technically, it was closer to 3 years (January 4, 2005 - November 16, 2008). And technically, he was a state senator for around 7 years before that.
Simpletool wrote:He did the mature thing by ignoring a group of conspiracy theorists and focused on the real issues. The right have made fools out of themselves by continuing down the birther road, and attempting to shift blame to Obama for ignoring a stupid made up controversy is really sleazy.
Here here.
Though I can't condone you grouping all of "the right" into this; nothing is ever black and white like that (uh oh! on-topic pun!).
Dionysos wrote:Now the image is reversed when the worlds "last super power" sends a death-squad to another sovereign country and kills an alledged criminal (that is what someone is until proven guilty you know, allegded) without due process, without presenting evidence, without even presenting evidence of the killing. Now americans dance in the streets and wave flags like idiots. It's a travesty how easily the principles that are supposed to apply to everyone for a reason are trampled and broken for the sake of emotions and personal gain. "Justice has been done". Yeah, military justice in exactly the wild-west fashion that the world despises the US's foreign policy for.
Disclaimer: I don't mourn bin Laden. He was a terrorist and the world is better off without him.
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I really hate how we're so proud of our rights and such else, but we'll completely neglect yours if it suits our needs or makes us feel better.
Kinda the same thing with Guantanamo Bay; we cannot stand people's rights being abused... unless we're the ones abusing them. (You can argue we need that place and we might, but then we need to shut up about people and their rights. However, I say we take the morally higher road and the cost it comes with; the right way isn't always the easiest.)
MayheM wrote:OK, someone flip the switch and get this train back on the tracks...
umm...
Here here.
But unless you want to argue the legitimacy of the info from Simpletool's link...
...I'd say the topic is coming to a close; people were just dragging it on in an apparent attempt to ignore the reality that Obama is rightfully president. Haters gonna hate.
The inspiration as to why I'm here: Adam Foster; Minerva. Great job man.