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@simpletool, the list you provided makes me feel that even though we have caught, analyzed, tried, convicted, sentenced, detained, and preserved ALL these creeps...there will always be more and more of them. It is an inescapable truth that nothing we do can deter their existance and their violent collisions with the people they hate and target. The idea that we can actually "learn something" that will assist in stopping future incidents...is an extremely optimistic idea and not much else. People who want to preserve the monsters are probably more personally curious about "the inner workings of a deranged mind" than they are about maybe diffusing the next catastrophe.

All I am saying is that I want some swift fucking justice and I want the death penalty, and I don't want the death penalty trials to cost more than the price of life imprisonment.

joe_rogers_11155 wrote:@simpletool, the list you provided makes me feel that even though we have caught, analyzed, tried, convicted, sentenced, detained, and preserved ALL these creeps...there will always be more and more of them. It is an inescapable truth that nothing we do can deter their existance and their violent collisions with the people they hate and target. The idea that we can actually "learn something" that will assist in stopping future incidents...is an extremely optimistic idea and not much else. People who want to preserve the monsters are probably more personally curious about "the inner workings of a deranged mind" than they are about maybe diffusing the next catastrophe.

All I am saying is that I want some swift fucking justice and I want the death penalty, and I don't want the death penalty trials to cost more than the price of life imprisonment.

Yeah, so basically you want the death penalty(end somebody's life) using a swift and cheap justice system?

Umm, so, i was gonna write a huge rant with arguments here, but Kate Upton appeared at my front door claiming she wanted to have sechs. Sorry, she goes first!

How is what the one that performs the penalty does different from what the criminal did?

MNM wrote:How is what the one that performs the penalty different from what the criminal did?

It has support from atleast two interlopers. Has to account for something.

ok, ill stop stupid rants now.

zombie@computer wrote:Yeah, so basically you want the death penalty(end somebody's life) using a swift and cheap justice system?

For the guy who kills about 70 children with automatic weapons and is literally covered in their splattered blood and found standing on piles of their bodies, and feels absolutely no remorse and turns down an insanity defense...sure, let's burn him at the stake on live TV during a sports game, and let's do it within 30 days of the incident. There need be no trial for his insidious brutality.

For the guy who is suspected of one or two murders and he is trying to get out of it, and there is a decent amount of evidence but he was not filmed doing it, and we have to succeed in proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, then let's have an actual trial and do that. And maybe kill the guy, depending on the circumstances of the act.

The difference between the Norway killer's actions and the actions of an authority that wants to kill him is that the Norway killer is a morally bankrupt homicidal maniac and the authority is providing a form of justice and a small form of vengeance for the victims' families. There is never closure for the loss of a loved one but knowing that he is gone from this Earth would be a small comfort for them. Do NOT think you should let this monster live because you want to "take the high road" on the issue of capital punishment.

By the way, ladies and gentlemen (and this is totally off topic), Kate Upton.

It's still doing the exact thing he's getting punished for

I say, let's put him on the cross like Jesus Christ, since he loved the guy so much he can be like him

MNM wrote:It's still doing the exact thing he's getting punished for

If you are willing to equate the mindless slaughter of nearly 100 innocent people (many of them children with bright futures) with what would surely be the very humane execution of the 1 homicidal maniac who killed them...then what the fuck ever, bro. That sounds like a great moral code.

Fine, if you are simply not going to execute him for his crimes and remove his evil soul from the world, then at least I can hope for sixty-nine 21-year sentences for murder, which only counts the shooting spree. But to me, that is such a shitty deal for the victims. After all, I'm sure the Norwegian penal system will be very accomodating to his needs (three meals a day, access to fitness, library, and paid prison work, all on the Norwegian dime), and they will be very happy to try and "rehabilitate" him for the rest of his healthy, murderous, fuckheaded life.

Hey now, He killed. If he got the death penalty we killed. How/why etc. Doesn't matter here. Still the same action

I actually do agree with death penalty. Some people deserve no mercy. I my family got killed, the last thing I would want is to see the murderer stay some years or his entire life in prison, spending money from the goverment.

Spike wrote:I actually do agree with death penalty. Some people deserve no mercy. I my family got killed, the last thing I would want is to see the murderer stay some years or his entire life in prison, spending money from the goverment.

No offense man, but death penalty is actually more expensive.
http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42
"California could save $1 billion over five years by replacing the death penalty with permanent imprisonment."

I don't agree with the supposed death penalty, in the end it makes the persecutors no different than the murderer. There is absolutely no justification for a death penalty. It does not solve any problem, it does not benefit anyone at all. I agree that he is more valuable imprisoned, so at least he can be used to track down other extremists of his kind. And I definitely don't ever see him being a free man again.

I think that the death penalty and life sentence penalties are appropriate when the prison system is incapable of rehabilitating people to be able to function positively in normal society, which is characteristic of the United State's prison system - where most people who are convicted of felony will likely end up back in prison after they are released (not solving a problem), however Norway is one of very countries in the world that actually has correctional facilities that work, the US doesn't have them, nor the UK, or many other world powers.

bitPanther wrote:Norway is one of very countries in the world that actually has correctional facilities that work

Tell me more, since I've been reading and I cant seem to find much evidence. I'm trying to see the other side but in my greasy, hate-filled, American heart, I see this man's slow violent death as a great thing for the people of Norway...and the world in general.

How is it a good thing for us? I'd much rather have him have a terrible long life than get killed when those are the only two options.

joe_rogers_11155 wrote:Tell me more, since I've been reading and I cant seem to find much evidence. I'm trying to see the other side but in my greasy, hate-filled, American heart, I see this man's slow violent death as a great thing for the people of Norway...and the world in general.

Here you go. Consider I'm pretty fucking wasted right now I was still still able to pull them up. Stop being lazy please.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... icide_rate

U.S. recidivism
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=17

Norway recidivism
http://www.newsoxy.com/features/recidiv ... 28356.html