Invasion of Iraq thoughts?

[KILLA-COW]

Just thought I'd post this because this is a hot political issue and I want to hear other peoples opinions on it.

Personally I think us (the UK) and the USA were right to make the decision to invade, although we didn't find any weapons of mass destruction there, there was always a distinct and haunting possibility that they did have. If they were to have weapons of mass destruction then with the regime and unpredictable nature of the Iraqi government then I'm sure they may take action with them if the time arised.

Also from invading Iraq Saddamn Hussein and other head figures in the Iraq government and extremist groups, have been killed or captured and I'm sure much vital intellegence and information has been gathered from them.

Obviously alot of bad things have also come from the invasion, such as the numerous political issues now raised and also the on going extremist actions resulting in the death of many many Iraqi's and also national aid workers who are losing their life and freedom. The British and other countries citizens who have been taken hostage and sometimes killed or kept captive for very long periods, are in mine and many others eyes hero's. They are the people who have gone their to work for charitys in the full knowledge they are risking their lives, but they just do it because they are considerate enough to care more about others than themselves and that in my eyes is one of the most heroic things.

However all the lives being lost in Iraq will eventually lead to the freedom of the Iraqi's and them being able to live in a democracy and not under regime and constant watch, which is something, many of us, take for granted.

What do y'all think



~ KILLA-COW

[zombie@computer]

ok, lets sum this up

-lots of soldiers, on both sides, died. and for what?
-the iraqi people are having a harder time than ever: first they were maltreated by saddam, now they are maltreated by atleast 6 thousand drugsdealing, gangleading, mustafa's, that love nothing more than to keep the population suppressed, stupid, strong islamitic and hatefull towards the west. Atleast saddam had some point to talk to, not even an army can reason with these gangs anymore. Life in iraq has never been as dangerous as it is now
-as for the WMD, im sure saddan had them. and he has every f*cking right too. What gives a country like the USA, with thousands of WMD's, the right to condemn iraq for having them? Before this war iraq had no quarrel with the west apart from the USA. Now they have fucked it up for the entire european continent. Thumbs up mr Bush! Considering the amount of wars iraq and the usa caused in the last decennia it is more than reasonable to say that any WMD is safer in the hands of saddam than it is in the hands of Bush. Besides, the single purpose of WMDs is threath, and, because of their strenght, they are only safe when all parties have them in an equal amount. If iraq and the usa had 2 wmds each, they both would think twice before using one. if one of them has thousands and the other 0, this will be different.

Luckily, the usa got their oil, as was their initial argument for this war anyway. Now lets see which oilproducing country the usa will attack? will it be venezuela, iran, korea? The usa is very cleaver in picking their so-called enemies.

[Rick_D]

What you forget is that "we" the UK defined Iraq's borders way back when in the early part of the last century, and that the entire Western world has been selling and donating arms and military expertise to not only Iraq but nearly, if not all middle eastern countries/nations.

When the peopel behidn teh white office today came into power they sold chemical weapons to Sadam, so all they had to do to find out if he had "Weapons of Mass Destruction" (A retarded buzz word that's applied to everything these days) is to check the receipts. "Oh look, 1983, 25 cubic tons of materials to produce chemicals to gas your own people, Till Operative: D Rumsfeld"


The USA and UK (USA mainly, I might add) have been bombing the living shit out of Iraq since 1991. The death toll is an estimated 400, 000 + - civilians killed. The sanctions placed on Iraq crippled the ability of the people to rise up against Sadam and his goons (who are all now in the police force btw), along with the corrupt "Oil for Food" program - we have a lot to answer for in my honest opinion.

We want to walk in there now (still killing innocent people and bombing like it's 'Nam) and claim to be their saviours because we overthrew Sadam? The guy we essentially encouraged and supported into power, and then kept him there? Give me a break.

Although this shit isn't new in 70% of the world, the USA has attempted to control politics in asia, south america and the middle east to "save them" from the threat of communism. Now we have a new enemy which gives us the right to simply carry on as we have been? It's that carrying on that got us here in the first place.

[Caste]

The thing they didn't account for is that well over three quarters of the chemical weapons Saddam would've gotten FROM THE US in the 70s would be expired by now, and nothing more than harmless green goo you could probably eat.

The Iraq War was started on lies. The entire country was taken from behind by their president and screwed over. If this had been in any other country, or any other time, the president would've been thrown out be either the mobs of angry people, or a national court.

[Rick_D]

And to reply to Zombie - I see the dutch media is reporting the news in an unbiased way

Also, anyone remember the 'axis of evil' (more buzz words): iraq, iran, and northkorea. NK are only in there to make it look a little less like the USA is planning to totally dominate the middle east.
Which is their true goal, all these stories about us running out of oil, it's bullshit - if that were the case, and we would have no more oil in 30 years - people would be panicking a lot fucking more. The planet (as we know it..) would grind to a halt without fuel for vehicles. Nobody is doing anything because everybody can see what the USA is doing, grabbing land that will become more valuable and vital for retaining economic supremacy over the rest of the world, allowing them to continue developing weapons which allow them to dominate with ease.

I don't think naything will change from now on, we've reached a point where there's no more land to acquire and resources are becoming less abundant; the only way to get what you need/want is to take it from others. And that is, in my opinion, what we are seeing. The attacks on the WTC were just the convenient spark that lit the fire.


And erm, they used all their chem weapons on the iranians and the iraqi people

[Caste]

Also, anyone remember the 'axis of evil' (more buzz words): iraq, iran, and northkorea. NK are only in there to make it look a little less like the USA is planning to totally dominate the middle east.
Which is their true goal, all these stories about us running out of oil, it's bullshit - if that were the case, and we would have no more oil in 30 years - people would be panicking a lot fucking more. The planet (as we know it..) would grind to a halt without fuel for vehicles. Nobody is doing anything because everybody can see what the USA is doing, grabbing land that will become more valuable and vital for retaining economic supremacy over the rest of the world, allowing them to continue developing weapons which allow them to dominate with ease.

Watch Syraina or whatever, it's based on actual facts. The world is running out of oil, fairly slowly, and all of major oil deposits are in the Middle-East.

Although, the oil sands in Alberta and the new oil patch discovered in Brazil might be helpful.
We really just need to stop depending on oil. But with presidents like Bush around (who's basically handing oil companies money under the table...Halliburton anyone?) that won't happen any time soon

[zombie@computer]

We really just need to stop depending on oil.

easier said than done. Do you realise our entire civilisation floats on oil? 99% of everything we invented since 1850 is because of oil. True, mr bush does nothing, but theres not a lot he can do. not in a country that exists for a single purpose: to spend, buy, consume and work. okay, thats four purposes, but you get the point

[Rick_D]

Well that ethic is creeping into other countries, in fact in most '1st world' countries capitalism is the only option.

The problem is that Bush isn't problem, the whole system is, the USA's government are still looking after the 'landowners' (the wealthy) - and to hell with everyone else. Obviously there have been minor adaptions along the way but nothing significant. Things like letting black people sit own on a bus. But the black still gets off in the projects while whitey goes to the suburbs.

We have no choice in who we elect, they are all educated at the same stale places, with the same ideologies. When it comes to election time they take a different view on gun control and abortion and BAM a president is elected. However they'll both end up doing the same thing, advisors in the background telling them what to do etc etc. And that goes for all of our western countries. We are DOOMED!

[Jman]

What most people hear is that Bush only went in for oil, he didn't, he had like 18 reasons, and oil was just one of them, 14 of those reasons have ben confirmed, and executed, I think 15 now becuase the U.S. Soldiers found the WMD's.

[zombie@computer]

And to reply to Zombie - I see the dutch media is reporting the news in an unbiased way

various sources, none of them dutch media. Dutch media are pro-usa, our priminister is a bushbuttlicker with no backbone. the only thing he ever accomplished was our 1.000.000.000 euro discount for the EU, which was no more than reasonable. May i ask what you find so biased about my post?

[BaRRaKID]

What most people hear is that Bush only went in for oil, he didn't, he had like 18 reasons, and oil was just one of them, 14 of those reasons have ben confirmed, and executed, I think 15 now becuase the U.S. Soldiers found the WMD's.

what you guys are counting them up? so what was the number they had to kill inocent people? was it number 15 or number 14?
Yes iraq needed some sort of intervention, but it was not the US job to do it. Why did the US went to iraq against the UN decisions, and forged escuses like the weapons of mass destruction(i will refer to them as bullshit from now on), when actually there wasn't any bullshit there. why are they still there? why did they tried to force their politics in to another country, with a totally different culture and religion?
Was it that hard for the US to WAYT for the UN to actually get solid proof that the iraq was gathering bullshit(wich they wheren't) to then start a military strike? you see in my opinion the only result of this selfish move, was the death of several inocent people, the destruction of their cities, and infrastructures, wich will take several years to rebuild, and actually made most of the things worst then they where before.
The only thing wrong about ira was sadam, and if the US(in this case the CIA) can torture people without anyone knowing for years straight, why can't they just kill a single man, or arrest him without shreding half the country? with all their technology how do they make so many mistakes? this is the kind of things that no1 really understands how they happen, but the thing is that they do, and Georgie jsu anounced that he will spend another gazilion dollars on iraq, just because he feels like it. Sometimes i just wish someone would punch that sob in the face, and ass rape him!

[CrapinaBottle]

I'm sorry if I'm repeating anyone's words, but as a Californian (US) Democrat: I am sick of what bush is doing to our country, actually, not just himself, his whole administration. He gave tax cuts mainly to the rich: my dad makes about $100,000- $130,000 a year, and he got a 300$ tax break, imagine what the millionaires would have gotten back. Since we don't have that extra money, we need to cut school budgets, firemen, help the needy programs, and more. It's a chain reaction that is leading our next generation in a whole that will take years to come for them to dig out of.
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Sorry, back on topic:
How I see war is: death without a cause.
The Bush Administration's main "reason" to go to war was to get the "WMDs" out of Iraq and Get Saddam Husien out of power. We went to war, the whole country following what Bush said, and we invade, we find nothing, people dieing everywhere. And now we find. what? A draft heading our way. Sigh*. Also, we went to war hoping to get rid of the "terrorists" and torture and treat their people like complete crap. Since we are killing civilians, we are causing more terrorists to appear to get revenge on their family. Also, the terrorists are mainly coming from Al Quada. Tell me this: how are we different from the "terrorists" if we decide to torture our prisoners in such a way that is defined as rape?
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If this doesn't make sense, well, sorry, I'm 13.
-CrapinaBottle

[compy905]

The only thing wrong about ira was sadam, and if the US(in this case the CIA) can torture people without anyone knowing for years straight, why can't they just kill a single man, or arrest him without shreding half the country? with all their technology how do they make so many mistakes? this is the kind of things that no1 really understands how they happen, but the thing is that they do, and Georgie jsu anounced that he will spend another gazilion dollars on iraq, just because he feels like it. Sometimes i just wish someone would punch that sob in the face, and ass rape him!

Do you honestly think they could have just arrested Saddam or killed only Saddam? Saddam has his own army backing him up. They are not going to let him get arrested or killed without a fight. If you go after Saddam there is going to be a war, bottom line. I'm not saying I am for the war but lets be realistic. Saddam was not going to go down without bloodshed.

[Spartan]

(who's basically handing oil companies money under the table...Halliburton anyone?)

Haliburton has been contracted to supply the U.S. military with oil to run their vehicles since the Clinton adminstration. Whenever the U.S. goes to war Haliburton supplies them with the gas they need.

Things like letting black people sit own on a bus. But the black still gets off in the projects while whitey goes to the suburbs.

Lol, what? Black people have just as much of an opportunity to go to college and make a good living as "whitey" does. It's unfortunate though because ignorance runs amock in places like "the projects".

Watch Syraina or whatever, it's based on actual facts.

It might be based on actual facts but it doesn't make it 100% true. Never rely on a movie to get all your information from.

I'm sorry if I'm repeating anyone's words, but as a Californian (US) Democrat: I am sick of what bush is doing to our country, actually, not just himself, his whole administration. He gave tax cuts mainly to the rich:

I hear people say that all the time, but do you actual know what your talking about?

Also, the terrorists are mainly coming from Al Quada

No. Al Quada isn't even the largest terrorist group.

when actually there wasn't any bullshit there. why are they still there?

If we leave now then most certainly another dictator will take over. There's no easy way of backing out now.

Was it that hard for the US to WAYT for the UN to actually get solid proof that the iraq was gathering bullshit

Yeah, because we all know the UN would jump on something like this.
The UN is corrupt.

this is the kind of things that no1 really understands how they happen, but the thing is that they do, and Georgie jsu anounced that he will spend another gazilion dollars on iraq, just because he feels like it. Sometimes i just wish someone would punch that sob in the face, and ass rape him!

Barrakid, I like you but right now your writing like an 8 year.

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[KILLA-COW]

Does anybody other than me think invasion was the right option?