Invasion of Iraq thoughts?

[slayera]

I have to agree, the Ohio machines did not work like they should have. Whether or not how much it effected the election I don't know, but a war time president has never lost a re-election.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ohio_voting

In Floridia, (have nothing to prove this) it was reported that some heavy democratic areas the voters got block from polling stations or had last minutes changes to the locations. Katherine Harris, the repubican state comptroller, had the final say in the vote dispute. If she was a democrat then things might have been different.

There are probably questions that will never get answered, it's all mute now.

You guy should be careful talking about killing Bushy. The CIA is watching, without court ordered wiretaps. You could be brought up on terrorist charges. One of our basic freedoms is being smash to shit, too.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

[Dead-Inside]

You're anti-Bush?

Everybody is anti-Bush. Only some are more than others

Then how come he got re-elected?

He got re-elected because of the attack on the twin towers. Directly after the attacks his poll nubers went way up, mostly due to many public addresses he made concerning terrorism and such. You have to rememeber that after the attacks almost all us Americans were very pro war, we were... very pissed off you might say. But of course Bush can talk real good, but his actions are not nearly as good.

Actually he can't talk well at all. Amazing how you say he can.
Let me talk you through it;
1. The man's a dumbass. Everything he says is written by someone else and even then he manages to screw it up! This is one of two things he has to do, one of two, and he has a hard time doing it! Yes, great president oh my.
2. There's a whole lot of sweettalk based on little to no facts. "The Axis of Evil". Yes, brilliance right there. Try coming over here to Sweden and let that one fly and see how it goes, ey? You'll crash and burn.
3. He's "NICE". His image is "NICENESS". Now... my question is just what the hell does this have to do with being the president? Oh, wait, that's right. NOTHING.

Keep up the good work, you piece of shit country you. Kisses.

[Vallian88]

Keep up the good work, you piece of shit country you. Kisses.

Excuse me? You're insulting my country there mister, I'm proud of what the US has accomplished in it's 230 years of existance, (minus recent years). With that said, I am one of many who disagree with our situation at the moment. I didn't know most of the world hate us back before 9/11, and I am (to put it mildly) upset that our government (not only Georege W. Bush) has made us the laughing stock of the world. We have lost whatever reputation we ever had, and from what I hear our government doesnt care and doesnt want to fix our foreign relations.

Everyone blames Bush, I am actually pity him, a little. One year after becoming president he is faced with a gargantuan decision. What to do about 9/11. That must really be hard on a president. He is the figurehead of our government, so he is blamed for EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM THE US HAS. Too many taxes? Blame Bush. Gas is too high? Blame Bush. Iraq? Blame Bush. Toilet isn't working? Blame Bush. Goodness, doesn't anyone ever get tired of blaming him? He's not God, he doesn't have as much power as everyone thinks he does. Stop with the Bush hating, it's getting old. Everyone's heard it, and no one's arguing against it. If you want to blame someone, it's better to rest it on the government, rather than one man in particular. If he was a dictator, it would be a different story, but America is a democrazy, I mean a (type of) democracy last time I checked.

Look, there are a lot of people in the US. There are a lot of people who hate Bush/Our government. Personally, I don't care for him. I don't like how much he claims to use God. I believe in God, the Iraqis believe in God, I'm sure a lot of French people believe in God. That makes it kind of ironic that Bush says "God will help us defeat our enemies", when the Iraqi's are saying the exact same thing! I don't think we should have elected him twice, but I suppose it was the lesser of two evils. Besides, it's extreamly hard to beat a current president in an election. They have a certain aura that gives them power over the masses. The country must really, really hate him for him not to get elected again (such as with Hoover). Because our country is so divided on the issues at hand, getting someone to beat Bush is extreamly hard.

I don't like what he did with the entire war in the middle east. After 9/11, our world the US was thrown into an extreme frenzy. We were angry, and when people get angry, they make stupid mistakes. Going into Afganistan was ok, we had a clear reason. Most of the world agreed with us. We wanted justice on the people whom have caused such suffering in America.

Thoughts on the war in Iraq are heavily divided. With my current knowledge, I am against it. Many feel we are in there for oil, and they are still pro-war. Many think we are there for terrorists. Many think there's still WMDs there. Many think we are there to boost our own economy. I use to think there was a good reason to go to Iraq, and I trusted my government that they knew what is best for us. Perhaps that is being patriotic, or perhaps that's just being naieve. I was not nearly as informed about current events then as I am now, although I still don't consider myself well informed.

I consider myself a regular American, a citizen of the country you so wonderfully insulted. I don't like having my country be the place where everyone throws their woes and angry comments, but that's not my choice. I am not able to vote, yet. I am not one to go protesting in Washington about the war, there's plenty of that already. Besides, it doesn't seem like the government is listening. The only other option is to organize a coup, and I'll get executed for that. So, at the moment, I'm stuck listening to all this crap about how terrible America is. You're entitled to your opinion of hating America. We have done stupid mistakes, we've elected a president no one likes. Once my generation hits that magic number ( 18 ), there will be changes. There's enough anti-bush sentiment that whomever campaigns against Bush-ideals, will most definately win the vote of everyone I know. (Hillary Clinton FTW ) However, America is a large place, and there are some qwerky people out there that I can't seem to understand.

At the moment, America has been brought low. Our government has made a series of bad decisions, some based on bad intellengece, others based on bad reasoning, or just bad reasons. On a more optomistic note, our government knows a lot more than us, so there could be reasons for decisions that they cannot tell us at the moment. I would like to think this is the reason for a lot of what is happening, but we will not know for a long time. Until then, the world hates our government.

I assure you Dead-Inside, I will do all in my power to change the world's feelings about the US. Perhaps you can give a few suggestions? What in particular makes the US a "piece of shit" country? I would like a list.

EDIT: Went over and read through most of the 7 pages of comments on the subject. Now about as informed as I began. I dont really think this topic has accomplished anything other than plant the seeds for a flame-war. People are not going to give up their views about America, and Americans are not going to do anything about what's going on. Not because we don't want to, but because we cant. We can't impeach bush simply because the world doesnt like him, he hasnt done anything illegal in the minds of the US. We could all write to our congressmen and say what? "End the war in Iraq"? You think that hasn't been done already? (If I am mistaken, I'm moving to Japan) You want America to be fixed? Get everyone to vote. Most Americans are too stupid/un-informed to realize they should vote for all levels of government, not just the president. The biggest change will come in 2008, when a new leader is found. Until then, sit back, and watch out government continue to ruin our reputation.

[Superdeer]

I think the decision to invade Iraq was wrong. I mean don't get me wrong but the only evidence we had in the UK, was a document that was so soaked in spin that it was unreal and some aerial photos that kept showing on the news that had been gathered by US recon aircraft that looked like shit and you could barley make anything out apart from some people and blocky buildings that could of been anything and the bright red writting that said ====>Chemical Weapons Research Lab or Quick launch site.

plz correct me if I am wrong on the amount of evidence we had.

[Superdeer]

Keep up the good work, you piece of shit country you. Kisses.

Excuse me? You're insulting my country there mister, I'm proud of what the US has accomplished in it's 230 years of existance, (minus recent years). With that said, I am one of many who disagree with our situation at the moment. I didn't know most of the world hate us back before 9/11, and I am (to put it mildly) upset that our government (not only Georege W. Bush) has made us the laughing stock of the world. We have lost whatever reputation we ever had, and from what I hear our government doesnt care and doesnt want to fix our foreign relations.

Everyone blames Bush, I am actually pity him, a little. One year after becoming president he is faced with a gargantuan decision. What to do about 9/11. That must really be hard on a president. He is the figurehead of our government, so he is blamed for EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM THE US HAS. Too many taxes? Blame Bush. Gas is too high? Blame Bush. Iraq? Blame Bush. Toilet isn't working? Blame Bush. Goodness, doesn't anyone ever get tired of blaming him? He's not God, he doesn't have as much power as everyone thinks he does. Stop with the Bush hating, it's getting old. Everyone's heard it, and no one's arguing against it. If you want to blame someone, it's better to rest it on the government, rather than one man in particular. If he was a dictator, it would be a different story, but America is a democrazy, I mean a (type of) democracy last time I checked.

Look, there are a lot of people in the US. There are a lot of people who hate Bush/Our government. Personally, I don't care for him. I don't like how much he claims to use God. I believe in God, the Iraqis believe in God, I'm sure a lot of French people believe in God. That makes it kind of ironic that Bush says "God will help us defeat our enemies", when the Iraqi's are saying the exact same thing! I don't think we should have elected him twice, but I suppose it was the lesser of two evils. Besides, it's extreamly hard to beat a current president in an election. They have a certain aura that gives them power over the masses. The country must really, really hate him for him not to get elected again (such as with Hoover). Because our country is so divided on the issues at hand, getting someone to beat Bush is extreamly hard.

I don't like what he did with the entire war in the middle east. After 9/11, our world the US was thrown into an extreme frenzy. We were angry, and when people get angry, they make stupid mistakes. Going into Afganistan was ok, we had a clear reason. Most of the world agreed with us. We wanted justice on the people whom have caused such suffering in America.

Thoughts on the war in Iraq are heavily divided. With my current knowledge, I am against it. Many feel we are in there for oil, and they are still pro-war. Many think we are there for terrorists. Many think there's still WMDs there. Many think we are there to boost our own economy. I use to think there was a good reason to go to Iraq, and I trusted my government that they knew what is best for us. Perhaps that is being patriotic, or perhaps that's just being naieve. I was not nearly as informed about current events then as I am now, although I still don't consider myself well informed.

I consider myself a regular American, a citizen of the country you so wonderfully insulted. I don't like having my country be the place where everyone throws their woes and angry comments, but that's not my choice. I am not able to vote, yet. I am not one to go protesting in Washington about the war, there's plenty of that already. Besides, it doesn't seem like the government is listening. The only other option is to organize a coup, and I'll get executed for that. So, at the moment, I'm stuck listening to all this crap about how terrible America is. You're entitled to your opinion of hating America. We have done stupid mistakes, we've elected a president no one likes. Once my generation hits that magic number ( 18 ), there will be changes. There's enough anti-bush sentiment that whomever campaigns against Bush-ideals, will most definately win the vote of everyone I know. (Hillary Clinton FTW ) However, America is a large place, and there are some qwerky people out there that I can't seem to understand.

At the moment, America has been brought low. Our government has made a series of bad decisions, some based on bad intellengece, others based on bad reasoning, or just bad reasons. On a more optomistic note, our government knows a lot more than us, so there could be reasons for decisions that they cannot tell us at the moment. I would like to think this is the reason for a lot of what is happening, but we will not know for a long time. Until then, the world hates our government.

I assure you Dead-Inside, I will do all in my power to change the world's feelings about the US. Perhaps you can give a few suggestions? What in particular makes the US a "piece of shit" country? I would like a list.

EDIT: Went over and read through most of the 7 pages of comments on the subject. Now about as informed as I began. I dont really think this topic has accomplished anything other than plant the seeds for a flame-war. People are not going to give up their views about America, and Americans are not going to do anything about what's going on. Not because we don't want to, but because we cant. We can't impeach bush simply because the world doesnt like him, he hasnt done anything illegal in the minds of the US. We could all write to our congressmen and say what? "End the war in Iraq"? You think that hasn't been done already? (If I am mistaken, I'm moving to Japan) You want America to be fixed? Get everyone to vote. Most Americans are too stupid/un-informed to realize they should vote for all levels of government, not just the president. The biggest change will come in 2008, when a new leader is found. Until then, sit back, and watch out government continue to ruin our reputation.

You mentioned about the gargling situation Bush faced at 9/11. Well did you know that after all the airports and flights had been locked down, with no flights in or out. He authorised flights to take the Bin Laden family out of america and the the oil rich gaints of the middle east.

Don't you mean Goverment's. I mean our (UK) goverment is still doing its part to ruin the world aswell.
You know we can't back down to terrorist but we can sit back and watch them kill your loved one. But don't worry we will send our deepist regrets to you. (this is not meant to offend anyone but to get a point across)

[Vallian88]

I wasnt talking so much about the airports being locked down. I could care less about Bush's ties to the Bin Laden family. Someone tell me what it means? Is someone trying to say that Bush knew about the attacks? I don't care if Bush and them are good friends, I dont even care if he helped them become wealthy or if he invertently helped to supply Bin Laden with the means to create the 9/11 disaster. I highly doubt the possibility that Bush is trying to ruin America intentionally.

America has a long history of giving evil people power, so I'm not going to start blaming Bush now. That is not to say I support him, I dont like him. I simply pity him, a wee bit.

Finally, I didn't want to speak about the UK because I am very uninformed about that government. I barely know enough about my own government's current affairs.

Perhaps a day will rise when the world needs a figure like V...

Remember remember the fifth of November, the gunpowder treason and plot. I see no reason why gunpowder treason should ever be forgot.

[YokaI]

Bush isn't trying to ruin America, thats not the point of that theory. When a natural disaster happens, what usualy happens to the president of that period in the timeline? Well, he is written down in the books ofcourse. Think about it, the more bush mentions 9/11 as an excuse for the iraq war, the more people like him and the more popular he gets.

My point of view on the war in general: It was a bad situation, but what can you do when you are one person? Absoulutly nothing. If the majority is dumb enough to vote for someone because "he isnt a flip flopper", its their own damn fault. Slowly destroying the world because of the lack of inteligence and the lack of will to even get off their asses and vote for a president. It makes me sick, send me to canada!

[mabufo]

Either way folks, things in the middle east need to change. Any ideas on that? is there a way to make it so that the extremeists play nice with the rest of the world?

I'll tell you - Muslim extremists are more scary to me, than saddam ever was.

[bob@lunchbreak]

Bush-administration, Bussiness and Money, go hand in hand with Oil, Bin Laden family etc.
9/11 was just a trick to get the rest of the States behind there plans and ideas. As for the extremist,. Not every Iraqi is one,. drugsdealers and ganleaders are just using the muslim extremism to keep the chaos in Iraq. The average Iraqi just wants to live his life, and doesnt care too much.
Just the way I see it,

[Dead-Inside]

@ Vallian88

You do realize he is *responsible* for everything?

It doesn't matter if he caused the problem, made it better, or made it worse. He will still be responsible for it as long as he's the president and tbh he's doing a shitjob of everything. I'm done in here though.

[zombie@computer]

Either way folks, things in the middle east need to change. Any ideas on that? is there a way to make it so that the extremeists play nice with the rest of the world?

I'll tell you - Muslim extremists are more scary to me, than saddam ever was.

we need to get rid of the cause of your fear, which is not the extremists, its your media

[twitch]

9/11 was just a trick to get the rest of the States behind there plans and ideas.

Yeah right! sure guy

[dragonfliet]

Either way folks, things in the middle east need to change. Any ideas on that? is there a way to make it so that the extremeists play nice with the rest of the world?

I'll tell you - Muslim extremists are more scary to me, than saddam ever was.

we need to get rid of the cause of your fear, which is not the extremists, its your media

Extremists aren't the problem, the media is? That's a good one. Though it makes me think of an awesome comic strip

http://bunny.frozenreality.co.uk/index.php?id=493

[mrmonkah]

9/11 was just a trick to get the rest of the States behind there plans and ideas.

Yeah right! sure guy

I think He's right. The states is one corupt country. I think 9/11 was self inflicted. Im sorry that the good people of America have to be used by its fucked up government.

But i am sure people are coming around to the idea that the universe does NOT stem from the united states and they do NOT have free reign over the planet. If indeed we are driven to an international, earth v.s the states World War, it'll be very sad and i presume none of use will be alive to look back at it.

As for invading IRAQ, it's just plain wrong. And dont think Bush wouldn't send his country men into war for nothing, he'd do it for money!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ge&pl=true

[dragonfliet]

But i am sure people are coming around to the idea that the universe does NOT stem from the united states and they do NOT have free reign over the planet.

Blasphemy! The US is the center of teH entire Universe!!!!!!!11!!one1!!eleven.

Why the hell doesn't this topic die?