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Cloning Humans

Postby Spartan on Sat Jan 21, 2006 4:52 am

What is your opinion on cloning of humans? Do you think it should be allowed or not.

Personnally I hope we never see a cloned human. I think we'll eventually be able to clone organs which will be great, however I think that if we ever began cloning whole humans it would only cause trouble. It's not a religious or even a scientific issue with me. It's more a moral and security issue. Who's to say what rights a cloned human has? Would the government own them, or a private business, or even the original person themself? People might look at clones as outcasts or not even something unhuman. Also what's to stop a cloned person from taking on the full identity of another? What happens when someone dies, will the family clone the loved one? What about cloning people like cereal killers, rapists, even dictators?
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Re: Cloning Humans

Postby killerkallerant on Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:00 am

Spartan wrote:What is your opinion on cloning of humans? Do you think it should be allowed or not.

Personnally I hope we never see a cloned human. I think we'll eventually be able to clone organs which will be great, however I think that if we ever began cloning whole humans it would only cause trouble. It's not a religious or even a scientific issue with me. It's more a moral and security issue. Who's to say what rights a cloned human has? Would the government own them, or a private business, or even the original person themself? People might look at clones as outcasts or not even something unhuman. Also what's to stop a cloned person from taking on the full identity of another? What happens when someone dies, will the family clone the loved one? What about cloning people like cereal killers, rapists, even dictators?
yo you make dictators seem like the worst of the three (3), and i agree with you i dont think that they should clone humans, i understand like organs and stuff but people...no
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Postby ƒray on Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:35 am

Organs=:mrgreen: Humans= :smt011
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Postby YokaI on Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:47 am

Cloning humans is not only a bad idea for basic life, but it is also a bad idea for War. Why? well, if you copy a human every single way possible and make the brain well developed and anythign and say if they had basic inteligance, Wont they stat to think forthemselves?

Also, if you have seen the anime Full Metal Alchemist, I believe that one of the Spoofs in that Anime is that we dont know what may come up if we try to recreate a human. Sure, you may have all the organs or parts but does that alone make a human?
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Postby slayera on Sat Jan 21, 2006 8:04 am

Basically this is the exact same method, modified slightly, for giving rise to twins. Just because it is a clone does not mean it is you. In twin studies it is found that in the begin they're very closly related, in the way they grow, learn, etc, but as they age they become farther apart.

Your clone would be more your brother than a true copy. He may not even like pizza, computers, cars, or for that matter girls. Yeah you could steal his organs too.

Even in single cells, when they split the two part are greater than the single, some change is pasted on.

It would be weird to have a twin at your age, but when you think about it like that it makes it a little easier to accept. It just happens outside your mothers body and not at a time when you were conceived.

The only reason I could ever see for this, cloning a whole nother self, would be for underpopulation. Maybe when everyone is doing gay marriage or women kill all the men, something like that.
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Postby Athlete{UK} on Sat Jan 21, 2006 9:37 am

I think cloning organs is som,ething we vitally need.

Not something we should do something we have to.

I wont accept any religious arguments because my feelings is they have no place in a discussion like this.

As for cloning humans i'm undecided. There are things wrong with it. The problem i have however is i don't see the point. It couldn't offer any benifit really and it would just causes problems.
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Postby Serever on Sat Jan 21, 2006 10:29 am

cloning humans is kinda freakeh, but cloning bits and pieces is very handy. im all for that. any kind of research is a good thing imo. within reason though. stem cell research i have no problem with. as long as its helping humans go aobut their merry way then its all good.
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Postby Jman on Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:26 pm

slayera wrote:Your clone would be more your brother than a true copy. He may not even like pizza, computers, cars, or for that matter girls.

Gay clones... :smt046

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Postby Terminator on Sat Jan 21, 2006 4:40 pm

Interesting coincedence that I just watched The 6th Day last night...

I think cloning should be left to organs: lose an eye, spend a week in the hospital with a device clamped to your head, leave with a new eye. To address the point raised by the above movie dialogue, finding a cure for cancer would be better than cloning an entire person to fix an inoperable brain tumor. There are better things to focus on right now.

As for extending the human lifespan, I support the idea of altering our DNA to give us another 200 years or so. It could also be possible to transfer the consciousness into a computer, and therefore live as long as you wish as a machine. Humans are too frail to simply replace when you want to live longer; machines can last far longer than the person wants, and you can just shut yourself down if you ever wanted to die. Of course, there would have to be some rules to be eligible for this, like being voted as an important person with plenty to continue to offer to mankind, like a brilliant scientist or a superb leader, for example...

I think eugenics is much better than cloning. Clones get no variety in their genetics, and no room for improvement. Eugenics is the intentional matching of selected sperm and egg to create a new person who, hopefully, incorporate excellent qualities from both donors. The best if these offspring donate their DNA to create the next generation. Every successive generation is theoretically better than the last, and is better adapted to whatever field or task the group is focused upon. Essentially, you "breed out" genetic abnormalities that cause things like disabilities, and they are no longer a problem for society.
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Postby The-fox on Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:02 pm

well i dont see anything wrong with cloning people infact i think it would help science take for example you could test various medications such as now for the bird flu to test until that person completly is cured and stop doing tests on lab rats and other various animals
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Postby Jman on Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:04 pm

Terminator wrote:As for extending the human lifespan, I support the idea of altering our DNA to give us another 200 years or so. It could also be possible to transfer the consciousness into a computer, and therefore live as long as you wish as a machine.

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Postby ƒray on Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:21 pm

Science and Religion are two completetly unrelated different things, so people reply up!
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Postby 5eyes on Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:34 pm

The-fox wrote:well i dont see anything wrong with cloning people infact i think it would help science take for example you could test various medications such as now for the bird flu to test until that person completly is cured and stop doing tests on lab rats and other various animals


But you clone a guy, he begins to think "i was created to be tested on", gets pissed, kills the scientists, then we are all screwed... making them without a brain of course would help but in the end you must realize that testing a product on one single clone with no genetic variability isn't the same as testing on a wide range of ppl
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Postby ƒray on Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:14 pm

5eyes wrote:
The-fox wrote:well i dont see anything wrong with cloning people infact i think it would help science take for example you could test various medications such as now for the bird flu to test until that person completly is cured and stop doing tests on lab rats and other various animals


But you clone a guy, he begins to think "i was created to be tested on", gets pissed, kills the scientists, then we are all screwed... making them without a brain of course would help but in the end you must realize that testing a product on one single clone with no genetic variability isn't the same as testing on a wide range of ppl


The cloned guy wouldnt know that... i dont think... but we never know.
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Postby zombie@computer on Sat Jan 21, 2006 7:52 pm

as most in this thread im pro organ, con human cloning. i dont see any need to clone humans in an already overcrowded planet. It doesnt give us anything we cant already have at the moment.

There should, however, be exceptions, in the form of a certain select group of women who fall under the name of "frigginly hot"
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