Cloning Humans

[Konstantin]

Last I heard, they managed to make a tube out of heart cells. They then made the whole tube beat in sync with a little shock. Cool, huh?

Cardiovascular muscles, no?

[dragonfliet]

Perhaps you have heard of the organ printer developed by MIT two years ago? It combines a regular inkjet printer with a biogel plate. It squirts out living stem cells in a thin layer, and surrounds them with the biogel. It keeps building up, layer after layer, until is has the shape you want. When it is done, give the cells some time to connect, then warm it up and the gel melts away. Finished 3D living object.

Last I heard, they managed to make a tube out of heart cells. They then made the whole tube beat in sync with a little shock. Cool, huh?

Alright, while I support the advancements in technology and whatnot, I'm officially voting the Heart-tube printer as the creepiest thing I've head today

~Jason

[Konstantin]

It would be pretty handy if they found a way to "print" heart valves.

[zombie@computer]

Last I heard, they managed to make a tube out of heart cells. They then made the whole tube beat in sync with a little shock. Cool, huh?

Cardiovascular muscles, no?

vascular muscles dont beat in sync. they are smooth muscles, hearth tissue is made of hearth muscle, a special kind of musclecells that have extremely high metabolism rates and primairily burn fat instead of glucose (as opposed to all other body cells). The main difference is that hearth muscle doesnt regrow after its damaged (after a hearth attack your broken hearthcells are replaced by scar tissue), but all other musclecells have some sort of regeneration (which sounds a lot more than it actually is)

[Terminator]

I do not know how they spell it in the Netherlands, but everywhere else I am pretty sure it is spelled "heart". A "hearth" goes around a fireplace...

Anyway, our medical student is correct, once you correct his spelling.

[zombie@computer]

we spell it "hart". nice n simple.

The one thing i ever have real trouble with in english are t's and h's

like
lenght <=>length
height <=> heigth

probably a personal weakness

[Athlete{UK}]

we spell it "hart". nice n simple.

The one thing i ever have real trouble with in english are t's and h's

like
lenght <=>length
height <=> heigth

probably a personal weakness

more like a very silly language. Very versitile though

[Terminator]

That is a local accent. I have noticed almost the very same thing since moving to Indiana. I was born and lived in New Jersey until I was 10, but I never picked up any kind of accent. As a result, my speech is probably one of the best and least influenced in this State.

Common throughout Indiana, and I have been all over the State through college, are several variation of English that I suspect are similar throughout the Midwest US, and some of the South:


"Height" is universally pronounced like "heigth", with the same "th" sound as you get in "width", "length", and "depth".

"Roof" is pronounced by many as "ruff", and I poke fun at my friends for immitating a dog's bark when they do it.

"Wash" sometimes gets turned into "warsh", just as "dog" becomes "dawg" and "hog" becomes "hawg", but this is less common in the younger generation. Maybe good speech is making a comeback.

"Ketchup" also becomes "catsup".

There are several other quirks of the US Midwestern language and lifestyle. Food was a big change for me. Suddenly "catsup" goes in eggs for breakfast, gravy goes in biscuits, chili goes on french fries, and mayonaise goes in heaping globs on every sandwich in the whole freaking State!

Man, Americans sure are weird, huh?
No wonder I consider myself like an outsider watching ants scurry about in a glass jar...

[zombie@computer]

Man, Americans sure are weird, huh?

yea, they cant even pronounce tomato or potato correctly. stupid asshats

back to ontopic:
discussion is probably done ey?

[Terminator]

Man, Americans sure are weird, huh?

yea, they cant even pronounce tomato or potato correctly. stupid asshats

Actually, around here they do pronounce those somewhat correctly, according to the rules about vowels in the English language ("tO-may-tO" and "pO-tay-to", emphasis on the capital letters.) It is farther East and West that you run into the incorrect pronounciation ("tO-mah-tO" and "pO-tay-tO").

I say somewhat, because it is closer to "tuh-may-tO" and "puh-tay-tO", although I have heard "tuh-may-tah" and "puh-tay-tah" coming from the younger generation...

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Anyways, we all seem to be in agreement that cloning organs for transplants or regenarative purposes is acceptable, but whole humans is not correct.

However, the debate still remains about the point I brought up earlier: what about cloning whole humans that have limited or no ability to think for themselves, like in F.E.A.R.? While they may genetically be human, they have no mind, therefore, why should they be subject to any more rights than an animal? They would be essentially trapped in a purely vegitative state without something to control they remotely, so why not consider them no better than a machine? The body may be alive, but there is no consciousness behind it...

Or perhaps something like the Clones in Star Wars? Or the kids in Soldier, who grew up to know nothing but combat. Obviously, they could not function in a civilian environment, so what rights should they have?

Discuss...

[Athlete{UK}]

Right before this goes into yet another thread i need to split people who try to say "my way of saying things is correct" especially with english are not fooling anyone. All language is subject to diversity and local dialect.

English is a massive language (it has by far the largest volcabulary in the world) The reason for this is it is a complete mongrel language. It's changed a lot from it's roots so you can't realls say any one dialect is right.

[Terminator]

In other words, "Check your dictionary, nimwit!"

Anyways, back to the topic above...

[Athlete{UK}]

In other words, "Check your dictionary, nimwit!"

Anyways, back to the topic above...

No not really but back on topic. Clonging for the purpose of food? hell yeah. i swear i'm the last person alive who supports the idea of GM foods.

[Terminator]

Well, that would fall under "canibalism", since this is about Cloning Humans...

[Rustvaar]

Cloning humans for the purposes of medical research is a very good thing, cloning them so you can have an army is a bad thing.

It's quite well timed that I'm getting involved in ethics in college just now, so this is a great topic to discuss.

First off, if we have a fully healthy human being, and we clone it for the sake of another human being who would perhaps need a heart transplant, this is good - The clone was never truly human, merely a recreation of a human, like photocopying an image on a more grand scale.

I think a if someone had cancer and they were cloned so that the clones could be exposed to various tests in a safer bid to cure it, this would be good. Eventually [I hope] we will run out of diseases and therefor have no need to clone humans.

Cloning for the sake of war, or to have some underclass to do the jobs we don't like would be wrong. If you have a friend who is failing in maths and you have a question and answer sheet that will prove helpful, making a photocopy and letting him read over it will benefit him, making a photocopy and then slashing him with the paper is wrong.

Very, very dumbed down ideas but it makes it clearer what I'm trying to say.

I don't know of any consequences to cloning - perhaps mutation of the clone? But I don't see what is wrong with it or why it is bad, if we can "sacrifice" these copies for the greator good then we should. Technically no-one is dying and it will allow us to advance ourselves further in the field of medical research.

However I could be incredibly naive and there could some awful things that could come of human cloning. But to save lives through research it would be a wonderful thing.