InternalRage wrote:I'm just waiting for dragonfilet's view on this. He always has an awesome view on everything.
QFE, that guy is quite interesting
Goordon wrote:Well, the thing is more complicated, each case of terrorism is a different world.
I'm from Madrid, Spain (srry for my english ) and there was a time that we had 3 different terrorism factions, in 70's. Today only left ETA, and the way of the goverment to handle it was always the hard hand. In 80's goverment created a conter-terrorist group made of mercenaries called GAL for killing and torturate ETA terrorists, but that was a disaster. GAL killed some civilians several times by mistake thinking that they were terrorists :S.
I dont thing that terrorism should be daled with violence, but the goverment shouldnt listen to them neither. I'd never talk or make a deal with someone who hate my ppl and is triying to killme everyday, and that last thing is what our actual goverment is doing. Since the Al-Qaeda bombing attack in Madrid we have a new goverment who is doing exactly whatever ETA ask to him. This goverment is always saying "we have to dialogue with terrorist", "dialogue is the only way" but i think theres no way of dialogue with this ppl until u give to him the independence that is what they're asking. There are a couple of ETA terrorist in prison who are going to be released in 2 years, no matter that they both have killed more than 70 ppl (included many kids), and they have spent only 10-15 years of their life in prison
Anyway, i dont know what should be the way of deal with them, but I'd never sit in the same table that those mother f***rs for "dialogue" until they leave the weapons and pay for the 1100 ppl they've killed.
Taking that as example, when terrorism is dealt with harshly there is less terrorist outrages. Now your gov't is trying to "talk it out", they are trying to appease the terrorists in order to gain their favor. This wont work. Ultimately there will be another outrage, and more to follow if not dealt with accordingly. It is horrible when terrorists are allowed to be released from prision. And even if terrorists supposeivly drop their weapons to talk, there is more than likely chance they will still attack. Just take a look at the transcript from the last Osama Bin Laden message sent to America. He talked about how noone wants this war and so forth, but then goes on talking about how they already have plans in place to attack America further. This seems incredibly hypocritical to say "we want peace but we are gonna bomb you". It just seems that they will say they want to talk, but what they are really bidding for is some more freedom to move around and prepare to attack. I see this bid for peace as more of a plee for mercy from the terrorists who are being backed into a corner, which if given they will turn around to say it shows the country's weakness and attack again.
Your english is fine btw.
mabufo wrote: Terrorists - or what we know as terrorists in this day in age, range from islamic extremeists all the way to postal workers. You can't treat them the same and you can't treat them different. I assume you're talking about suicidal Islamic extremeists - it's time to face the truth - it's a violent religion. Killing infendels all day must be tough work, right? That's what the whole cult is about.
I could quote to koran, or however you spell it, because I found some interesting quotes to prove the point. Anyway, I suppose you're going to say "Well, if that's violent - what about your religion?" - and you're right. I have a problem with all religions. Religion seems to be an excuse that allows you to get yourself into ENDLESS fights - wheather they are with words or bombs - it really doesn't matter.
I think in this day in age - we need to come to grips with reality and think for a second. It is not okay to blow people up because they do not believe in what you believe. That's what terrorists do - and that's what needs to be stopped. As for how it should be stopped? Personally I think we should set them all on fire - the extreme ones of course - and then let them rot where they drop..but I don't think that'll be happening soon! So I guess all we can do for now is wait it out and hope the whole entire thing blows over.
First of never summurize a religion such as Islam so blatantly. Honestly there are many more wholesome good Islamic people, but their religion has been tainted by the fact of those who use it as an excuse to attack others.
These terrorists have been started to become blind in what they do and have little to no reason for what they do other than the standard excuse of "we are defending out religion". The majority of terrorist suicide bomber are teenagers. Terrorist recruiters go to high schools and teen hangouts and convince them to do these sorts of things with the promise of paradise in the afterlife. I dont see Osama running out into the middle of a crowd with a bomb strapped to his chest. They misguide the young into thinking that what they will do will be for the better of their people. It is sad that Terrorists have to alter the minds of intelligent young who may become quite amazing people in their older ages. They rip away their lives by telling them that they will be famous and regarded to as a hero.
mabufo wrote:Now that I think of it - what exactly was the point they wanted to get across? Does anyone know? Or has the chaos that they themselves have created shielded us from any sort of moral that could possibly be extracted from the situation? Whatever we did to deserve it - whatever went wrong -- will be forever lost, because they decided to take the lives of almost 3000 innocent people. The respect for any position they had ended there.
Their message had something to do with the USA policing the world. And as before terrorists do this now because they have lost sight of what originally caused them to rise at all. Decades ago terrorists may have been more morale, but now they just randomly kill. I think they really killed that many just to feel satisfied with themselves.
And sorry for making this so long... again...
) and there was a time that we had 3 different terrorism factions, in 70's. Today only left ETA, and the way of the goverment to handle it was always the hard hand. In 80's goverment created a conter-terrorist group made of mercenaries called GAL for killing and torturate ETA terrorists, but that was a disaster. GAL killed some civilians several times by mistake thinking that they were terrorists :S.
