GreenDay/Bush/Government

[mabufo]

People have opinions about other people, and that's perfectly fine. I think Ben Afflek is a bad actor (for a lack of a better example) -- but I wouldn't call him on it! Why? Because people deserve a basic level of respect, and everyone should treat everyone so. The president is a person too and deserves just as much respect as the next person. You may not like him, you may disagree with what he believes in, but that doesn't change the fact that we - as a society, should treat everyone with the same level of basic respect as the next person.

You can disagree with someone without being disrespectful - and I think you should all try it sometime.

[Persol]

The president is a person too and deserves just as much respect as the next person. You may not like him, you may disagree with what he believes in, but that doesn't change the fact that we - as a society, should treat everyone with the same level of basic respect as the next person.

I've got to strongly disagree. The president is arguably the most powerful person in the country. We 'as a society' grant him this power.

Part of the deal is that his actions and worth as president will be scrutinized.

This isn't about 'respect', this is about putting someone into power and then not being able to hold them accountable for their actions.

[mabufo]

Anyone has the right to disagree with him, and that's fantastic - that's democracy. The problem is, is that folks forget their manners. My problem is - is that when you disagree, if you disagree - all you need to remember is to keep it respectful, that's all. No matter how much you, on the inside, may hate someone's guts you have a duty as a person to give people a basic level of respect; no matter what polocies went awry.

This doesn't just go along with the President either. This goes for everybody.

[YokaI]

Anyway, my point is that Political Satires or Mockery has been in media ever since media itself. I bet you anything that you can find some WWII satirical books if you look hard enough.

Democracy is a myth. Mediacracy is the real deal. Just look at how the media can bend peoples opinions about stupid things like drawings of some islamitic chap, how anti-middle eastern the john doe in the usa is, how extremely right everybody gets in a left government, and vice versa. The media have more power in running western countries than the average dictator...

That has nothing to do with my view on "democracy" and I can agree with you. However, media has been mocking governemt since media itself and I dont stand down from that. Not just Democracies but almost everything that has a social structure. I believe china had the right idea but it just failed in the long run, just proves that our world will never be perfect nor will there be peace.

Now for "democracy", I believe socialism is better, its for the people more than the orginizations. Why dont we just become more socialist and that would solve alot of issues we currently have, such as the health care and Social Security.

No matter how much you, on the inside, may hate someone's guts you have a duty as a person to give people a basic level of respect; no matter what polocies went awry.

Oh please, do you mean to tell me you have broke what has been harming humans all this time? You dare look to one and say that you have accomplished a way to determin everyone as equals? You cannot look at someone and naturaly think he is not a savage or a moron? You are not human.

[mabufo]

Oh please, do you mean to tell me you have broke what has been harming humans all this time? You dare look to one and say that you have accomplished a way to determin everyone as equals? You cannot look at someone and naturaly think he is not a savage or a moron? You are not human.

I'm saying that people should treat other people with respect... where's the wrong in that?

[SoundFX]

Rage against the machine.


'Nuff said.

[-[Getty]-]

I'm saying that people should treat other people with respect... where's the wrong in that?

No theres nothing wrong with that and I completly agree. You many disagree with Bush or anyone else for that matter, but you don't have to go and call them an idiot or worse.

You cannot look at someone and naturaly think he is not a savage or a moron?

You have every right to dislike someone, but what mabufo was trying to say was that you don't have to let it show rudely. You can say that you disagree with someone, but not be rude and complete forget that your saying it to another human being.

Part of his 'platform' was to completely abolish income taxes. His answer to 'wheres the money' was that services would be picked up by faith-based initiatives.

I would like to know where you heard this.

Democracy is a myth. Mediacracy is the real deal. Just look at how the media can bend peoples opinions about stupid things like drawings of some islamitic chap, how anti-middle eastern the john doe in the usa is, how extremely right everybody gets in a left government, and vice versa. The media have more power in running western countries than the average dictator...

I have to agree about the media. They have way too much power in this country. I have to say, I rarely watch the news. It's always going to be biased. The majority of the news reports about the bad stuff that's happened. They talk about someones somethings faults or mistakes instead of the good things that are happening. The media makes it look like the majority of the people in Iraq don't like the US, but that's not true. Most of them are happy that we got rid of a evil dictator that did horrible things to his people for no reason.

He has already generated more national debt than any other president combined.

Combined? I find that hard to believe. But then again, No other president had to defend out country because terrorists killed thousands of people by destroying the World Trade Centers. Plus theres always that fact of inflation...

I believe greenday isnt responsible for this. Just exploiting it.

He never said Green Day was responsible for it.

[Athlete{UK}]

It's not too bad Zombie. he IRA as nothing like it used to be but there are still problems. Most of the time it's in fighting between IRA factions and the odd skirmish with the SAS

[compy905]

Anyway, my point is that Political Satires or Mockery has been in media ever since media itself. I bet you anything that you can find some WWII satirical books if you look hard enough.

Democracy is a myth. Mediacracy is the real deal. Just look at how the media can bend peoples opinions about stupid things like drawings of some islamitic chap, how anti-middle eastern the john doe in the usa is, how extremely right everybody gets in a left government, and vice versa. The media have more power in running western countries than the average dictator...

That has nothing to do with my view on "democracy" and I can agree with you. However, media has been mocking governemt since media itself and I dont stand down from that. Not just Democracies but almost everything that has a social structure. I believe china had the right idea but it just failed in the long run, just proves that our world will never be perfect nor will there be peace.

Now for "democracy", I believe socialism is better, its for the people more than the orginizations. Why dont we just become more socialist and that would solve alot of issues we currently have, such as the health care and Social Security.

So lets say you bust your ass, go to school, get a higher education, and work your ass off to be a successful person. You want the government to take your money and equally divide it with some lazy ass that dropped out of school so he could sit at home all day getting fucked up? I'm sorry but I am for less government. I don't want the government telling me what has to be done with my money that I earned myself, what doctor to go to, etc. I don't really want the government in my health care. Thats why you work to get a good job that has good health care. Hard work should be rewarded.

[zombie@computer]

Anyway, my point is that Political Satires or Mockery has been in media ever since media itself. I bet you anything that you can find some WWII satirical books if you look hard enough.

Democracy is a myth. Mediacracy is the real deal. Just look at how the media can bend peoples opinions about stupid things like drawings of some islamitic chap, how anti-middle eastern the john doe in the usa is, how extremely right everybody gets in a left government, and vice versa. The media have more power in running western countries than the average dictator...

That has nothing to do with my view on "democracy" and I can agree with you. However, media has been mocking governemt since media itself and I dont stand down from that. Not just Democracies but almost everything that has a social structure. I believe china had the right idea but it just failed in the long run, just proves that our world will never be perfect nor will there be peace.

Now for "democracy", I believe socialism is better, its for the people more than the orginizations. Why dont we just become more socialist and that would solve alot of issues we currently have, such as the health care and Social Security.

So lets say you bust your ass, go to school, get a higher education, and work your ass off to be a successful person. You want the government to take your money and equally divide it with some lazy ass that dropped out of school so he could sit at home all day getting fucked up? I'm sorry but I am for less government. I don't want the government telling me what has to be done with my money that I earned myself, what doctor to go to, etc. I don't really want the government in my health care. Thats why you work to get a good job that has good health care. Hard work should be rewarded.

So lets say i get drunk, run you over, and you loose your job. Socialism isn't that bad then, isn't it?

btw, as some famous chap once said: The amount of civilisation is measured by how the weak are handled. (or something like that ). Im not for a real socialistic government, but there has to be a system for the people who didnt get a chance. Not for the drunks who jump of a bridge and allmost survive offcourse, those people deserver to be thrown off the bridge again. And..ehh, you get my point.

[Caste]

Rage against the machine.


'Nuff said.

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[Persol]

So lets say you bust your ass, go to school, get a higher education, and work your ass off to be a successful person. You want the government to take your money and equally divide it with some lazy ass that dropped out of school so he could sit at home all day getting fucked up?

In order to maintain a civilized society there needs to be one of two things:
1) An acceptable minimum standard of living - with the community/government supporting that minimum stanard for those who don't meet it
2) The exile/jailing of anyone below that minimum standard

Why? This is where most desperate (aka: dangerous) crime comes from.

That doesn't make you the USSR... it's makes a welfare state. The debate should be on the level of welfare, not the existance of it.

[5eyes]

As said Socialism is unfair to those who accomplish. Although I kind of doubt that democracy is the absolute best gov't but as of now it is the best that's working.

"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried" -Winston Churchhill

The reason capitalism works is because there is competition and aspirations. Those who want all the nick-nacks and toys will work hard and get what they want. To do that, they need to become better than the competition. Companies do this all the time, and it is the reason for advancments in technology and knowledge. The companies are forced to create and invent in order to get ahead of the competition. Imagine this on a national scale. The reason in the last 100 years there have been so many advancments in technology has been competition between countries. But if the entire world were to convert to Socialism, than there would be little to no motive to advance because many will say to themselves "I can either work hard and create amazing things, or I can get the same benefits doing a easier job which requires less effort by me."

[Persol]

As said Socialism is unfair to those who accomplish.

You say unfair, some say civilized. Let's consider: you're a cop and get shot in the spine. Paralazed for life from the neck down. Would you be against the government supporting you basic needs?

I hope not... but that's a form of socialism.

Socialism by itself simply doesn't work. The reward for hard work (or working at all) is not nearly as immidiate as in capatalism. The pnishment for not working is not nearly as bad as homelessness (although there have been times when the punishment was death... but that's not socialism)

Democracy by itself also doesn't work. People are stupid. People in groups are stupider. People in large groups are evidently brain dead. Biased opinions spread like memes (religion driving most of them). Democracy bring these ideas to the fore-front.

Capatalism by itself also doesn't work. Corporations are (usually) controlled by large groups of people, with the same downsides to that as demoncracy. On top of that, corporations have a singular goal of making money.

Although I kind of doubt that democracy is the absolute best gov't but as of now it is the best that's working.

Whats my point here? Every form of government/resource distribution is severely flawed when applied to a global level. The only reason such forms of society work on a small scall are because:
1) people know each other personally, unfairness is dealt with. People who can't support themselves are helped.
2) There isn't as much at stake.
3) Any unfairness that the group causes is glossed over.

The reason in the last 100 years there have been so many advancments in technology has been competition between countries.

Read, war (even if cold). Socialism wouldn't stop this.

In fact, socialism can be based on a reward structure. You work hard you get a government upgrade. A bigger apartment, maybe slightly less aged government cheese. The problem is that power will naturally centralized, which leads to corruption.

[slayera]

Anarchy is the true Democracy!

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