Animal Testing

[marnamai]

@ Mabufo: did you even check the source sites? You can call it bullshit, but such things only men can do against animals ...

[mabufo]

I can't imagine why they slapped the term 'vivisection' on there - possibly because the animals were alive? (but isn't all surgury done on something alive? hmmm) That's the only reason that can match the experiments to vivisection. The term vivisection is used nowadays to cover any 'inhumane' experiment on an animal... which is sort of silly considering vivsections are done on humans too.

Having said that - these experiements (or most of them) have nothing to do with physiology... but rather Pathology - which is "the study of the study of the processes underlying disease and other forms of illness, harmful abnormality, or dysfunction". Some of these experiements have nothing to do with Pathology either - which is admittedly odd.

I assure you though that when experiments such as this are done... the animals are not feeling pain - becuase modern codes of practice dictate that any lab animal subjected to any invasive procedure must be performed under anaesthesia.

What I really want to know is how they got the photos of the animals - or how they got the animals. Personally I don;t believe anything any animal rights 'activist' says because frankly - I think they're all nuts. Don't get me wrong though - I think the type of vivisection that was depicted in those photos should be either be highly regulated, or not done at all. These types of experiments are really never done.

[zombie@computer]

@ Mabufo: did you even check the source sites? You can call it bullshit, but such things only men can do against animals ...

sources? a site against vivisection and a site pro-animals? I'd hardly call that sources

[mabufo]

@ Mabufo: did you even check the source sites? You can call it bullshit, but such things only men can do against animals ...

source sites? Those are not credible sources - for anything. As far as the picture of the dog goes - like I said before - that one is bullshit.

[marnamai]

@ Mabufo: did you even check the source sites? You can call it bullshit, but such things only men can do against animals ...

sources? a site against vivisection and a site pro-animals? I'd hardly call that sources

PRO? wtf ... those are 2 protest sites ...

Indeed they arent relayable soures, but thats where I got the pictures from

[mabufo]

@ Mabufo: did you even check the source sites? You can call it bullshit, but such things only men can do against animals ...

sources? a site against vivisection and a site pro-animals? I'd hardly call that sources

PRO? wtf ... those are 2 protest sites ...

Indeed they arent relayable soures, but thats where I got the pictures from

pro animals... meaning for animals. IE: Yay, I like fluffy puppies.

I've got nothing to say about the second part of your post. You've said it already.

[Dead-Inside]

I'm all for animal testing which is to our benefit.

Animal testing is made because we aren't going to test on humans, ever. A human life is worth a lot more than an animals and it really isn't stranger than that.

That said I'd still like it to be done tastefully, and for a reason. "We want to develop a new makeup" is, for example, not a valid reason.

[The-fox]

im actually surprised on how ignorant and stupid humans seem to be once the animal question comes up atleast on the internet which always seem to be "humans are higher on the food chains and animals are stupid" or "animals are stupid and arent worth the same as a human life" well thats just stupid to say really...hell i wouldnt mind the things that are being tested on animals being tested on humans after all in the end the products are for humans arent they? not for animals testing drugs and such on helpless animals just makes me angry and that some people actually support it just makes me more disgusted by humanity and i just hate it more for every time i read it god i hope we destroy ourselves one day...i seriously do it would be for the good of evrything :/

[zombie@computer]

im actually surprised on how ignorant and stupid humans seem to be once the animal question comes up atleast on the internet which always seem to be "humans are higher on the food chains and animals are stupid" or "animals are stupid and arent worth the same as a human life" well thats just stupid to say really...hell i wouldnt mind the things that are being tested on animals being tested on humans after all in the end the products are for humans arent they? not for animals testing drugs and such on helpless animals just makes me angry and that some people actually support it just makes me more disgusted by humanity and i just hate it more for every time i read it god i hope we destroy ourselves one day...i seriously do it would be for the good of evrything :/

ignorant? stupid? may i remind you humans conquered this planet and it is theirs to do with it as they see fit. Humans > other animals, not only because they are one of the few organisms on the planet who know they exists. As far as im concerned the fluffy rabbits and obedient brave doggies should be glad we didnt kill all of them in the first place, which is a lot better than what they would do to us if they had the chance. (yes, if rabbits had the chance they would certainly kill a human to get food; the fact they dont have a single chance because of their lack of size, strength and claws doesnt change anything)

If theres one type of people i hate more than greenpeace people, its people who think animals are cute and therefore we shouldnt eat them and get all vegeterian and stuff... Get a life. Animals die, humans die as well. Animals suffer, humans suffer as well. We do whatever we can to reduce that, and we sometimes need to sacrifice lower lifeforms to save the higher ones. Thats life. Humans wouldn't even have existed if it was otherwise. If you cant take that, then its time to become a greenpeace hippy, or grow up and become a usefull part of society.

Im not saying its good to harm animals for no reason, but saying animals have the same rights as (western) humans is bullshit. Not even chineese people have the same rights as we do...

[Dead-Inside]

... god i hope we destroy ourselves one day...i seriously do it would be for the good of evrything :/

What the hell? Mind explaining your thoughts on blowing up the planet being the good of everything?

Correct me if I'm wrong but if we're to destroy us, then we would at the same time destroy everything around us, including animals and wildlife. This isn't purely if we were to say a global nuclear war but also with more conventional ways. Everything is bombed, innocent or not.

If you feel the world is too hard for you to handle, too horrible for your morals or to incorrect to deserve to exist then why don't you do us all a favor by not being in it? Apart from my points, please take heed to zombie's. He touched the rest of your post.

[dragonfliet]

I really can't believe this thread. Animal testing is our biggest hope as far as curing cancer/aids/yellow fever, etc., etc., etc. And it's also very important to make sure that products are safe for humans.

I love animals, I have a cat and it's hilllarious and awesome and I used to have a dog. That being said, animals aren't capable of higher thought, and they simply don't matter as much as a person does. For that matter, we eat animals, so I see absolutely no reason why we can't do medical testing on them.

Of course, extreme examples of cruelty are horrific, but some of them are actually legitamate. doing brain surgery on a cat, while seemingly cruel isn't really. the cat won't even know what's happening to it and I think it's worth finding a cure for parkinsons and alzheimers (which I've known multiple people to suffer from) don't you? In fact, a good family friend of ours with Parkinsons disease underwent a brain surgery procedure that was pioneered on monkeys. Now, am I feeling bad for some dumb monkey that can no longer throw shit around its cage? Or am I feeling relief that Chuck was able live longer and suffer less (for a few years) from his disease? Yep, you got it, I'm siding with the human on this one.

The site you linked up says instead of killing one for the other, why can't we both live? The sad fact of the matter is though, people WILL DIE if they don't find cures for these diseases. They will die premature, painful, horrible deaths. Animal testing gets us closer to cures and gives us treatments. Yeah, it would be nice if science was easy and testing wasn't needed, but it's not easy and testing is neccessary.

What if your mom got a new kind of eye shadow that umm.. I don't know, stays on in water and only comes off with a special removal agent; something like that. Anyways, she buys it, smugly glad that it wasn't tested on animals, wears it for three days (because she forgot to get the removal agent) and goes blind. What then? Of course, human testing, being extremely expensive and hard to get approval for would have been limited, but testing on bunnies would have allowed the proper parameters to test for such extreme cases. This hasn't happened yet IRL, but it's going to whenever they start screwing with new formulas that haven't been proven years ago on animals (things today are small variations, nothing actually new)

And I seriously doubt that a hospital would burn a dog to see the burns. They get plenty of people in for that anyways + it's highly illegal and unethical

[Spartan]

Let's just remember that this is the serious discussion and people are free to express their opinions. Even if they do sound ludricrous.

Now as for what Zombie said he does have a good point. We are the dominant species. If dogs were the dominant species they might be using us as a food supply, milking our woman and making cheese from it.

As for rabbits I doubt they would eat us. Since they are vegetarians after all. Humans are made to eat both meat and plants. We have a small intestine and a large instestine for digesting meat and vegetables. We have specialized teeth for both, even the placement of our eyes in the skull makes us predators. So naturally we eat meat.

Do I believe animals have a certain right on this planet: yes
Do I believe their rights are equal to ours: no

I don't support torturing animals. Now when I mean torture I'm not talking about dropping water on it's forehead or interrogating for hours on end. I'm talking about exposing an animal like a dog or cat to toxic chemicals which cause pain, or seeing whether or not the sulfuric acid burns their eyes out.

I think we can all agree that animals do feel pain. Their's no doubt about that. However whether they are self concious of their own death is yet to be proven. So as far as that goes it's still a matter of opinion.

[The-fox]

Well i cant say that i have any feelings at all for wether humans would go and blow up themselfs or released a virus which would kill humanity.The only survivers would most likely be animals and seeing how ignorant and stupid most people are,beside those who are fightning for the right of the animals, really surprises me evry time i read something about this matter.Its always the humans only being selfish fucks thinking about themself and their well being.It really surprises me every freaking time i read about it.Do you know what some farmers do to get to various animal fur? they take out eletrical cables from their car battery stick one into their mouth and the other into their ass and let it slowly and painfully kill them then they skin them while they are still alive and let them lay and die painfully just to get to their fur.If i were to meet anyone who is basicly saying its right to kill animals for their fur and for expermenting with things that arent even allowed in war i would most likely kill you slowly and im fucking seriuos.People on the internet never fail to surprise me.Ever.

[Dead-Inside]

"they take out eletrical cables from their car battery stick one into their mouth and the other into their ass and let it slowly and painfully kill them then they skin them while they are still alive and let them lay and die painfully just to get to their fur"

Do you actually believe this yourself?

[The-fox]

Humans are capable of anything so yes i wouldnt be surprised if that actually is true and since i have seen various sites about the matter im pretty sure its actually happening.