Internet Explorer 8 - Yet more IE specific tags..

[Mess]

IE8 WILL conform to W3C standards.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/03/05 ... tandards/1

[Blink]

IE8 WILL conform to W3C standards.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/03/05 ... tandards/1

Only if you add a tag in your web page to tell it to though, otherwise it's identical to IE7.

[BaRRaKID]

Which is the entire point of this thread, and brings us back to the first post
Haaa.. i love this sense of closure!

[Puffenstuff]

IE8 WILL conform to W3C standards.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/03/05 ... tandards/1

Only if you add a tag in your web page to tell it to though, otherwise it's identical to IE7.

If I read the article correctly the default render will now be W3C compliant. So you need to add a tag to make it act like IE7 rather than a tag to make it act W3C compliant.

[Blink]

IE8 WILL conform to W3C standards.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/03/05 ... tandards/1

Only if you add a tag in your web page to tell it to though, otherwise it's identical to IE7.

If I read the article correctly the default render will now be W3C compliant. So you need to add a tag to make it act like IE7 rather than a tag to make it act W3C compliant.

Afraid not, that is the situaition everyone wants, but MS have gone reverse

If IE8 acts like IE8 by default, then IE8 might break group two’s websites (and not just break them in quotes: we’re talking about scripting, here). Breaking millions of sites is unacceptable to Microsoft’s brass and to the creators of those websites. It’s to prevent that breakage that Microsoft’s browser developers came up with the new switch. To do its job, the new switch must work the same way the DOCTYPE switch originally worked: namely, it is activated when knowledgeable developers opt in; otherwise it is off by default.

http://alistapart.com/articles/minorthreat

see also - http://www.alistapart.com/articles/theyshootbrowsers

[BaRRaKID]

Beta 1 is here, grab it now

[SlappyBag]

Omg its Barrakid!

[BaRRaKID]

Just tested it, seems like everyone was wrong!
The default IE8 behavior is the"super standards compliant" mode, so that means iexplorer 8 renders all pages according to the standards by default
You then have a little "7" icon on the tools bar that changes the browser render to the one used in iexplorer 7, but you've to restart the browser for it to take effect, so i don't think it's that useful, specially considering that iexplorer doesn't saves sessions like firefox does.
Besides that it looks the same as iexplorer 7, and i think it's even slower then iexplorer 7 was, so I'll stick with firefox for now

[Blink]

Just tested it, seems like everyone was wrong!
The default IE8 behavior is the"super standards compliant" mode, so that means iexplorer 8 renders all pages according to the standards by default
You then have a little "7" icon on the tools bar that changes the browser render to the one used in iexplorer 7, but you've to restart the browser for it to take effect, so i don't think it's that useful, specially considering that iexplorer doesn't saves sessions like firefox does.
Besides that it looks the same as iexplorer 7, and i think it's even slower then iexplorer 7 was, so I'll stick with firefox for now

zomg don't tell me they caved into to public outcry? That's great if they did..

[SlappyBag]

Wait are you saying IE8 actually works to the standards?

[Mess]

yer dudes, thats what the article I posted said!

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/03/06 ... lic_beta/1

[BaRRaKID]

I checked in this site http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/wrongWithIE/ (which doesn't have any iexplorer 8 specific tag ) and everything rendered properly, so yes iexplorer is the best browser atm when it comes to web standards compliance. Now we just have to wayt for firefox 3

[Blink]

Okay, well I've installed it and I'm not impressed so far. I realise it's only a beta but they haven't worked some things out.

For a start the interface is just as unfriendly as IE7, all the bars and buttons along the top go against everything a user is accustomed with from other browsers (including IE6). No idea why they should change this.

And from a standards point of view I'm not impressed either. Apparently it passes the Acid 2 test now (so does Opera, but that doesn't always render correctly) but I haven't seen it behave perfectly.

For example I am currently re-writing all the Interlopers HTML & CSS to be far leaner and semantic. When I did the v3 version my skills weren't as good as they are now. So I've re-written all the HTML to make sense for accessible reasons and I'm also making better use of CSS. I've pretty much finished but I'm yet to write my hacks for IE6, IE7 and a couple of minor ones for Opera. This is a good time to test IE8 then.

First of all, Firefox is up:

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It's the browser I build in and it renders the page as I have designed it, joyous.

Operas turn:

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Almost perfect, there seems to be a small 1 pixel gap on the right of the banner and top sections (I've thoroughly tested this and Opera is just not adding up the margin and widths correctly) and also the form buttons are a tad off due to Operas way of rendering them. Other then that it's near on perfect, this will take 5 minutes to correct.

Okay, up steps IE8:

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Oh no, this is the worst effort of the three! The top black bar is fatter, the navigation is taller, the central user panel is cut short as well as the headers being stupidly bold. The h4 tags in the central content are being rendered without bold (despite me specifying them) and finally the Register & lost pass links have gone on a little trip.

Poor effort.

The site has been coded to XHTML 1.0 Transitional (the news posts don't quite cut it for strict code yet) and I've used a tried and tested CSS resets file so there is no reason for this to happen.

So far, IE8 fails.

[Fearian]

I was under the impression that the internal build passed the Acid 2 test... but not this beta release.

[Blink]

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