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Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Demo Details

Postby ThePain on Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:57 pm

Zipfinator wrote:New guns, melee weapons, new special infected, uncommon common infected, different ending events, new environments, new survivors, and new game modes. Doesn't sound the same to me.


Sounds like every single $20-$30 expansion pack in the history of gaming to me.

I'll pay $30 for L4D2 tops. Not $30 if 3 other people buy it as well, $30.

I have not seen anything that makes this a stand-alone and not just a 1 year later $50 expansion pack. I don't care how they tweaked the director or how many reskinned special infected they include.

And yes, Episode 1 and 2 are expansion packs to me. I didn't mind paying full price for the Orange box because I got 3 items with it.

Maybe if they coupled L4D2 with something else I'd pay 50, but otherwise no.
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Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Demo Details

Postby Phott on Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:26 pm

ThePain wrote:
Zipfinator wrote:New guns, melee weapons, new special infected, uncommon common infected, different ending events, new environments, new survivors, and new game modes. Doesn't sound the same to me.


Sounds like every single $20-$30 expansion pack in the history of gaming to me.

I'll pay $30 for L4D2 tops. Not $30 if 3 other people buy it as well, $30.

I have not seen anything that makes this a stand-alone and not just a 1 year later $50 expansion pack. I don't care how they tweaked the director or how many reskinned special infected they include.

And yes, Episode 1 and 2 are expansion packs to me. I didn't mind paying full price for the Orange box because I got 3 items with it.

Maybe if they coupled L4D2 with something else I'd pay 50, but otherwise no.

What about CoD1-3? They barely even brought new weapons, just new maps, new storyline, some new characters (not always).
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Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Demo Details

Postby Zipfinator on Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:09 am

Phott wrote:
ThePain wrote:[quote="Zipfinator"
Maybe if they coupled L4D2 with something else I'd pay 50, but otherwise no.

What about CoD1-3? They barely even brought new weapons, just new maps, new storyline, some new characters (not always).


Good example. I've never heard anyone whine about the price of things like that. You could go far enough to say that MW2 is just a 50 dollar expansion. Just adds more campaign, more weapons, new characters and more customization in Multiplayer which is exactly what L4D2 is offering. L4D2 has way more content than L4D and you didn't have a problem buying L4D.

People are just used to Valve's low pricing since the HL2 Episodes and Orange Box. If TF2 was released today with all of the content it now has I'd pay $50 for it gladly, but Valve has given out all of that content for free after the $10-20 price of it when it was included in Orange Box. It's annoying that if this were any company other than Valve there would probably not be nearly as many people complaining. Valve is a business too and they need to make money.

Another thing I'd like to bring up is the fact that if it WERE an expansion it would be giant and it would be very hard to implement. All 5 campaigns, a new secondary weapon system and a new AI Director to name a few of the new things in L4D2 would be enough for 5 or 6 expansions. That's not even to mention having to go back and edit all of the L4D campaigns. Those campaigns were built around the special infected, weapons and AI Director in L4D. They didn't really have adding new infected, weapons, even a new AI director in mind when they were built. Adding all of this stuff in an expansion would either be completely out of place and make the campaigns less enjoyable or they would have to take a large amount of time editing the campaigns for the new infected, weapons, weapon addons, ammo, the new AI director and everything else that's being added in L4D2.Would you want them to release this over the next 2 or 3 years in a series of small expansions that slowly change the game to something that's a lot different than how it used to be like TF2 has been or all at once in a new game that's balanced and fun and in our hands a lot sooner. I'm going to expect that if it were DLC that they would cost about 10 dollars each because every other company does that with their games and Valve needs to make at least some money every year because after all, they are a business. Having this series of expansions including new weapons, campaigns, story arcs, characters and much more for $10 amounts every few months would quickly end up being a lot more than the $50 that Valve is charging for L4D2.

Don't have much else to say now except that people need to stop whining about this because it's happening and it's the right thing for Valve to do.
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Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Demo Details

Postby Phott on Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:20 am

Agreed with Zip, I'm so sick of this boycott crap and whine about how they should've just made an expansion pack.

I'm not gonna go on about it since Zip pretty much said it all.
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Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Demo Details

Postby srredfire on Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:08 am

Amen Zip, Amen.

I nominate anyone else who complains to be banned forever and then SHOT IN THE MOUTH.
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Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Demo Details

Postby source-maps on Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:43 am

l4d2 sucks! it should be free or payed DLC!
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Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Demo Details

Postby no00dylan on Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:49 am

source-maps wrote:l4d2 sucks! it should be free or payed DLC!


Lol sarcasm? Trollin? serious?

if serious, I have one word made of two words for you...


CMANNNNN

really though

CMAAAANNN
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Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Demo Details

Postby source-maps on Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:52 am

I bought both games the day you could first pre-purchase...
I was just screwing around with srred XD
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Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Demo Details

Postby no00dylan on Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:55 am

Ha ha, awesome.

Most people who say it should be free or an expansion will probably buy it anyways.

If only everyone could just think of it as a huge expansion that costs more money because of its hugeness, and is also on another CD.
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Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Demo Details

Postby srredfire on Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:55 am

source-maps wrote:I bought both games the day you could first pre-purchase...
I was just screwing around with srred XD


How about a screw around with your face and a buzzsaw.
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Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Demo Details

Postby Zipfinator on Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:57 am

srredfire wrote:
source-maps wrote:I bought both games the day you could first pre-purchase...
I was just screwing around with srred XD


How about a screw around with your face and a buzzsaw.


wat
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Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Demo Details

Postby no00dylan on Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:08 am

wat

EDIT:

also, any news/media on the boomer bile bomb or the defibrillator? I'm dying to see what they look like.
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Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Demo Details

Postby Zipfinator on Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:12 am

no00dylan wrote:wat

EDIT:

also, any news/media on the boomer bile bomb or the defibrillator? I'm dying to see what they look like.


Only know what they do. Bile bombs are primarily in The Parish campaign but are found in every campaign. They attract the nearby zombies to the spot you've thrown it at so you can just mow them down. The defibrillator is placed instead of a medkit in spots when someone is near dying. I'm not sure if they actually have to die, if they are downed and then brought back up to 100 health, I'm not sure if Valve has released that information yet.
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Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Demo Details

Postby Chopium on Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:20 am

Zipfinator wrote:
no00dylan wrote:wat

EDIT:

also, any news/media on the boomer bile bomb or the defibrillator? I'm dying to see what they look like.


Only know what they do. Bile bombs are primarily in The Parish campaign but are found in every campaign. They attract the nearby zombies to the spot you've thrown it at so you can just mow them down. The defibrillator is placed instead of a medkit in spots when someone is near dying. I'm not sure if they actually have to die, if they are downed and then brought back up to 100 health, I'm not sure if Valve has released that information yet.

I wonder if you can be a dick and throw it at special infected/teammates. LOL.
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Re: Left 4 Dead 2 Demo Details

Postby Zipfinator on Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:22 am

Mr. Chop wrote:I wonder if you can be a dick and throw it at special infected/teammates. LOL.


The Defibrillator or the Boomer Bile? :P

Would be pretty hilarious throwing a Defibrillator at a tank or a hunger while he's in mid air pouncing at you.
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