Left 4 Dead 2 Demo Details

[stoopdapoop]

i cant draw a conclusion if it is good or bad.

Everything looks quite good.

Kay.

you would make a good politician.

[YokaI]

So I shot a witch, and she ran and killed my team mate. =/ That worked.


Is that supposed to happen or what? The guy wasn't even near her.


More to the point though, I definitely could have seen this as a expansion. Just saying though... It still feels like L4D1.

[staberas]

...and i still can't believe i paid for that ....

she might killed your friend because he was in her way OR he shot her first OR the AI director hates your friend .

[Phott]

So I shot a witch, and she ran and killed my team mate. =/ That worked.


Is that supposed to happen or what? The guy wasn't even near her.


More to the point though, I definitely could have seen this as a expansion. Just saying though... It still feels like L4D1.

You've only played the demo, ofcourse it only looks like an expansion, there are no weapon upgrades and we haven't even seen half of the game yet.

[source-maps]

More to the point though, I definitely could have seen this as a expansion. Just saying though... It still feels like L4D1.

so you want to shoot teletubbies or something? zombies are zombies

[Zipfinator]

More to the point though, I definitely could have seen this as a expansion. Just saying though... It still feels like L4D1.

so you want to shoot teletubbies or something? zombies are zombies

Really... I don't see how people aren't satisfied with a completely new set of weapons, campaigns and the tons of other shit that's in the game. If it changed too much from L4D I bet you'd be whining about that.

[Terr]

i cant draw a conclusion if it is good or bad.

Everything looks quite good.

Kay.

Perhaps that should be taken as: "I can't see enough to make a judgment on the overall experience, but that which is visible is certainly nice."

[xoqolatl]

How to enable the grenade launcher in L4D2 demo:

1. Start a game using "map" command in the console
2. point your crosshair at the ground
3. type "sv_cheats 1" in the console
4. type "ent_create weapon_grenade_launcher" in the console
5. pick up the grenade launcher
6. type "givecurrentammo" in the console
7. blow zombies and things up but don't blow yourself up

It works now, after the update. Grenade launcher has no skin and has placeholder sounds (unless it really is that quiet).

I also found the complete weapon list:
weapon_adrenaline*
weapon_autoshotgun*
weapon_boomer_claw
weapon_chainsaw
weapon_charger_claw
weapon_cola_bottles
weapon_defibrillator*
weapon_dieselcan
weapon_first_aid_kit*
weapon_gascan
weapon_gnome
weapon_grenade_launcher**
weapon_hunter_claw
weapon_hunting_rifle*
weapon_jockey_claw
weapon_melee
weapon_molotov*
weapon_oxygentank
weapon_pain_pills*
weapon_pipe_bomb*
weapon_pistol*
weapon_pistol_magnum*
weapon_propanetank
weapon_pumpshotgun*
weapon_rifle*
weapon_rifle_ak47*
weapon_rifle_desert*
weapon_rifle_sg552
weapon_shotgun_chrome*
weapon_shotgun_spas*
weapon_smg*
weapon_smg_mp5
weapon_smg_silenced*
weapon_smoker_claw
weapon_sniper_awp
weapon_sniper_military*
weapon_sniper_scout
weapon_spitter_claw
weapon_tank_claw
weapon_upgradepack_explosive
weapon_upgradepack_incendiary
weapon_vomitjar*

* - they work with ent_create or give commands
** - only works with ent_create
Not marked: don't work in the demo.

I can't imagine what will cola_bottles or gnome be.

[YokaI]

More to the point though, I definitely could have seen this as a expansion. Just saying though... It still feels like L4D1.

so you want to shoot teletubbies or something? zombies are zombies

Really... I don't see how people aren't satisfied with a completely new set of weapons, campaigns and the tons of other shit that's in the game. If it changed too much from L4D I bet you'd be whining about that.

Well, it feels so much like l4d1, an expansion would be expected. I like games in which the sequel varies enough from the last that both maintain their independent qualities and are both re-visitable without you saying "oh, I wish this wasn't missing content..."

I mean, I know it's cute how all of you hate expansions (for some reason,) but this adds about as much as Starcraft Brood War added to Starcraft.... Just saying, it's expansion material with a 50 dollar price tag. The game is good, but it's still an expansion worth of material. There's no arguing that. I just love the way if you say the word "expansion" you get flamed these days, because people don't really know that this game emulates the exact purpose of an expansion. (New Game Types, New "Units" (in this case infected), New / Extended Campaign, New Map Sets) So to your comment zip, I feel very content with this game : as an expansion. As a stand alone sequel, could use some more things that separate itself from feeling like it's predecessor. I mean, with your support of the game I couldn't imagine you not supporting a game like Madden '10, which adds more content from it's predecessor and changes statistics and improves the engine in some subtle ways (as subtle as I would call the AI director changes that's been "implemented".)

I mean, it's a demo, so I'll save final judgements to the end, but really it FEELS and LOOKS like an expansion, and I felt the same way from playing death carnival @ pax, which isn't really a bad thing, it just really is out there and obvious to me that the game feels like L4D1 but with some slight improvements and some added content. They're doing some interesting things with objectives, and the order in which do you certain things. I.E. Hard rain where you go to the objective and then go back to the start. That sounds interesting, but really that could have still been done using the old games content as well no?

[Zipfinator]

I mean, I know it's cute how all of you hate expansions (for some reason,) but this adds about as much as Starcraft Brood War added to Starcraft.... Just saying, it's expansion material with a 50 dollar price tag. The game is good, but it's still an expansion worth of material. There's no arguing that. I just love the way if you say the word "expansion" you get flamed these days, because people don't really know that this game emulates the exact purpose of an expansion. (New Game Types, New "Units" (in this case infected), New / Extended Campaign, New Map Sets) So to your comment zip, I feel very content with this game : as an expansion. As a stand alone sequel, could use some more things that separate itself from feeling like it's predecessor.

I mean, it's a demo, so I'll save final judgements to the end, but really it FEELS and LOOKS like an expansion, and I felt the same way from playing death carnival @ pax, which isn't really a bad thing, it just really is out there and obvious to me that the game feels like L4D1 but with some slight improvements and some added content.

New Game Types, New "Units" (in this case infected), New / Extended Campaign, New Map Sets

If that's what an expansion adds then what does a new game add? That's pretty much what all sequels add these days and people don't complain.

Also we don't hate expansions or DLC, whatever people are saying Valve should give out. Valve gives out all of their DLC content for free as you know, so what makes you expect them to give out a good 7-10 gigs of content (More than L4D) as a free DLC. If they charged for it you'd be complaining about that. Also what would they charge for it? It'd probably be about 30 dollars if split into 3 or so different DLC's over the time it was completed which is about as much (probably less) than any other company would charge and as much as you'd pay with the 4 pack pre-order.

Also what do think they should add as "some more things that separate itself from feeling like it's predecessor." I think that what they added separates it enough to the point where it doesn't feel like an expansion of L4D1 but a continuation of L4D. I guess it all depends on personal opinion though.

[Kremator]

I would certainly be more happy if they made this an expansion and charge me $25-30 for it, the core gameplay hasn't changed too much at all and neither did the graphics. I mean, if you look at say, Resident Evil 4 and RE5 there's a huge leap in terms of theme and graphics and THAT'S what I call a sequel. L4D2 is released too close to L4D1 to allow any major change so it suffered from that I think, we'll see what the full game brings though.

[Zipfinator]

I would certainly be more happy if they made this an expansion and charge me $25-30 for it, the core gameplay hasn't changed too much at all and neither did the graphics. I mean, if you look at say, Resident Evil 4 and RE5 there's a huge leap in terms of theme and graphics and THAT'S what I call a sequel. L4D2 is released too close to L4D1 to allow any major change so it suffered from that I think, we'll see what the full game brings though.

I agree there might not be much graphical improvement (Except for weather effects in some campaigns), but the theme is definitely different. Southern Louisiana compared to Brooklyn area? I'm fine with graphics not being improved though. I'd rather have the game out within a year compared to having to wait for EP3 or Half-Life 3 come out to get more content.

You shouldn't be basing it off of the demo though. It's only 2 maps out of around 50 (Including campaigns, Survival and Scavenge) with half of the weapons and one gametype.

Also you could have paid 33.75 for it if you had 3 friends to get the 4 pack with. That's what I did.

[stoopdapoop]

actually, I'm quite impressed with how they made the graphics look better, but while still maintaining high framerates on the same hardware. The common all look better, the new gibbing system, more detailed levels, special infected have more personality, and the weapons look a HELL of a lot better (not counting the old ones, obviously.)

I just wish my multi core rendering wasn't fucked up, when I +showbudget it shows the "sound" bar spiking every once and a while, fucking up my performance, but I remember the l4d1 demo having weird performance issues as well. Might have something to do with the new filesystem.

Also, a few pages back somebody asked what the difference between the silenced smg and the unsilenced one were.

The unsilenced one actually does more damge, and has slightly more recoil/bigger firing cone.

Seems weird to me too, but supposedly the silenced weapon is a mac-11 and the unsilenced gun is a mac-10, but that's just what I've heard.

Also the game was entirely rebalanced there's no way in hell people who played l4d (such as myself) would have ever accepted this as an update. Not to mention that this would more than double the scope of l4d if it were released as an expansion. and like said, the game really is available 33.75

oh, and did anyone notice that you can't see your feet when you look down anymore?

Edit: correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like the only people who want l4d2 to be an update/expansion are people who didn't enjoy, or didn't play much of l4d.

[Jman]

Addon to play as infected, exploit it till it's patched etc.

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/s ... tcount=271

[Phott]

Addon to play as infected, exploit it till it's patched etc.

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/s ... tcount=271

lol it's posted on steam forums, people are so sneaky these days when it comes to exploits..