TF2 War Update

[Chopium]

This war thing is fucking ridiculous. The Demoman has no chance 1 on 1 against the Soldier. At least when the Soldier spams rawkeets, they explode in any impact with a massive splash.

[Armageddon]

I love this idea! If only it was balnced with the right classes...

[wiggle987]

Soldier's gonna win, which is a shame cause even though I suck at demoman, it's my fave class, being scottish and drunk.

[nub]

Well when you click on the Demoman on the War page in the update news, it says in his speech about some weapon they're getting that the Soldiers aren't getting. So I imagine that Demomen will receive a new item. Although I'm probably wrong.


I fucking hate soldiers, almost as much as pyros. But whatever...I'll try my best as a Demoman.

[vcool]

/plays as demoman.

[joe_rogers_11155]

/plays as demoman.

this. But I dont think it will matter, which sucks for us demomen.

[Zipfinator]

Well when you click on the Demoman on the War page in the update news, it says in his speech about some weapon they're getting that the Soldiers aren't getting. So I imagine that Demomen will receive a new item. Although I'm probably wrong.


I fucking hate soldiers, almost as much as pyros. But whatever...I'll try my best as a Demoman.

Uuuuh... Did you read the thing? BOTH classes are getting new 3 weapon updates, but the one that kills the other one more will get one EXTRA weapon on top of the 3 while the other one doesn't get their extra one. IT'S GONNA GET CRAZY!

[ShinobiWan]

You have to remember that they will be releasing new weapons for each of these classes during the "War". Its an awesome idea, and who knows who is going to get what. The demo man could get some napalm fart unlock that blows the balance completely in his favor.

[vcool]

I contributed 7 solider kills today.

I fucking suck at this game these days.

[Terr]

The only problem I see is that the class that gets the extra tool will probably be the one that's already "better" at killing the other... In that sense it's a positive feedback loop that might increase any sort of imbalance between the two during a matchup.

Of course, the secret unlock might also be something like an average-performing melee weapon in the form of a trophy which happens to have a very specific anti-soldier/demoman taunt.

I wonder how they'll handle assists.

[YokaI]

Well I've heard of a few Blizzard employees being hired at Valve over the past few years... There's no way they can fuck TF2 as much as Blizzard fucked WoW though.

1) DotA =/ Blizzard. DotA is a mod. Only word I heard is that they employed DotA's original creators, which really don't have much of a connection to blizzard. Not to undermine the work of IceFrog though, truely a great developer and has achieved much more than I, however it is certainly not the case that he is a blizzard employee.

2) WoW is balanced as much as an MMO can be, or should be for that matter. They're also constantly working on it for years to get balancing right. Regardless of you oppinion of WoW, Starcraft and Warcraft are 2 of the most competitive games for a reason: because they are flawless in terms of balance. Not to mention WoW:WotLK improved one of my biggest gripes about the original game: They actually made music that has a melody! Huzzah! A bit unfair, but I guess what I am getting at is they really bumped their music quality of WoW in the most recent expansion.

So that argument is fail. Also, WoW is a million times better than it started, you just hate it cuz it's popular and, well, because that's the way you move on from MMO games. Felt the same way about FFXI, but that was actually a shit game. It's funny how popular games always get that "oh that's uncool" backlash. (*cough GTA4 cough*) I guess I like anime, so I don't even care if something is uncool, I just watch / play / read and examine every bit of it to find its pros and cons.
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Valve isn't horrible with balance, but this "special weapon for one character who does better than the other" doesn't really seem to "balance" the class. Unless this special item is just aesthetic and or not very effective, I definitely see this as being a somewhat unfair decision. Why doesn't the sniper get 4 unlocks like the soldier or demoman? Uncool.

Furthermore, having an unlock that can work for both classes really seems to, well, cheapen the design thought. I liked to think that each weapon was designed for each class to fit not only it's personality but fits the design. With this wildcard, it really seems to me that they didn't design this thinking about who really deserved it design wise, and instead decided to throw it in there to whoever is already the better class, which just doesn't add up to me.

Though, have they confirm or denied it truly being a weapon? I've still got STRONG suspicion that it's going to be either a hat or a festive weapon for the winter holidays. (Present grenades anyone?)


Also, I wish there were some sort of "spoiler" tags to hide specific types of text, just for the sake of being able to keep my off topic bantering / counter bantering in a hidden mode for people who could care less.


Maybe I'm just a nit picker with balance, but every time I play a valve game there's always a problem with balance, whether it is L4D2's special infected, weapons in CS:S, or the TF2 Unlocks vs Defaults and Class vs Class. There's plenty of useless weapons in TF2 that shouldn't be in the game if they have no benefit or serve no purpose. And with the recent spitter nerf, though it was light, it makes me think they have it all wrong with balance, they should be balancing other classes / special infected UP not nerfing the ones that already work fine. I don't wanna post more, if I had a really good opinion I would probably have a job doing this. However, I want people at interlopers to know there's certainly a line to be drawn when discussing LIKING a game, and being critical of it. I love TF2, it's a great game, I have fun playing it, I've enjoyed many of the updates and really this updating philosophy is what started getting me to play this game that I just saw as "being packaged with HL2:Ep 2". However, because I like a game doesn't mean I won't be critical of it, and discussing any game I can try to come up with some design flaws or visual flaws because I feel like it's a healthy way to keep your mind in the mindset of being a developer while enjoying your time. That being said, again, I don't have a job at this, so you all can just mind about your day and regard me as another poster if you don't really care to share your thoughts on the issue. I think, however, if more reviewers spent their time thinking about design and balance, I think the review industry would be much stronger than it is. I would be a reviewer, but this wall of text probably informs you that my writing isn't very great... =P

[Terr]

Useless weapons? In TF2? Whaaaat? Situational, sure, but very few are truly worthless.

[Joseph T]

I'm guessing the secret unlock is something along the lines of the sandvich, something that heals the user. I'm having a hard time thinking up anything else that would fit both classes, besides maybe another melee weapon.

[staberas]

Tf2 destroyed my steam friendships D:
anyway i care more about hats

[Mess]

i imagine the fourth unlock will be a generic melee weapon that either class could feasably have