Satirical Cartoon I did about Obama's supporters

[Cunnah]

i agree. Not my country not my problem.

[Athlete{UK}]

moving to serious discussion forum in the hope I can save this from a retarded national dick waving comp.

The back lock is looming just over the hill.

[The Wanderer]

@ The Wanderer, you can't talk about Government seriously, being a Belgian, look at Yves Leterme? Hehe (I'm only kidding I agree with what you say)

Ouch, ya got me there. Indeed he probably was the equivalent of Obama in terms of charisma, but that charisma only applied to people 40+, and he got elected due to that. Most younger people didn't actually like him (including me ).
He was all talks and no deeds (he's caused some big fiascos here and lots of headaches), but it was only partially his fault, Belgium is divided in 2 parts and our politics works in such a way that one half of the country (the Flemish region), hasn't got a bigger voice than the other side of the country (the Walloon region). The Walloon were strongly against Yves' decisions so they kinda halted the gears which literally immobilized the entire political community, many headaches ensued...

But all is "well" now since he got "purged" out and we now got a prime minister that nobody even elected, yay democracy... Elections can't come soon enough...

You arent the only ones to think that way.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... 51j7Wp0rrQ

Water boarding terrorists to get information sure is torture.

ffs, get a clue.

Don't get me wrong, the detention centres need to stay open as otherwise where would you put POW, but Guantanamo was just a bit over the top.
Also a withdraw would be a big mistake at this stage, it would only ensure that the Taliban would again take over and oppress the people there. Even though Bush' reasons weren't all that great (Weapons of mass destruction ZOMG!), what he started, just can't be halted like that. Only by continuing taking action will the people there be truly free of the Taliban's oppression.

Also, i believe that Obama isn't closing Guantanamo to please a terrorist group, but rather to please the people of his own country that want it and the international community (or rather the European one) and to actually follow the law of his own country; remember the one where it states that "every man is not guilty till proven otherwise in a court of law".

Guantanamo wasn't even lawful, how can you trust a government that wont even follow the laws it swore to upkeep?

[Jeeves]

Guantanamo wasn't even lawful, how can you trust a government that wont even follow the laws it swore to upkeep?

And that's the final nail in the coffin of the so called 'land of the free'.

[R26]

I'm not the first person to do that sort of thing. Lenny Henry and other black comedians have dressed up as Hitler in the past. My point of that was that people were still mindlessly cheering Obama when obviously something was wrong.
More to the point, how is that more offensive than portraying Bush as retarded? If anything the portrayals of Bush were considerably more offensive.

Are you saying that calling someone a retard is as bad as calling someone a nazi? Lenny Henry and other comedians dressed them selfs up as hitler, they did it as an act. Obama never dressed up as hitler, what gives you the idea you can.

[RawMeat3000]

(remember that people were called racist for saying his name Hussein)

That's because a lot of times it is racist. And every time it's not racist, it's used to draw connections with "the bad guys" to conjure images of 9/11 and RPGs and the like, and make people feel more negatively about Obama. It's an underhanded GOP tactic that fools use when they have nothing better to say.

If we have terrorists who know information and we cant get that information b/c of the lame brain liberal who say "We should treat them with respect" and "be nice" should be hung. They are a threat to our nations security. .

In the unlikely event that this should happen, and whoever is interrogating the person knows beyond the shadow of a doubt, that torturing some dude is going to give reliable info about how to stop an attack, then laws be damned. Guy's not going to give a damn about whatever laws are in place if the stakes are that high. In the last few years, many people have been tortured, how many of the torturers have faced charges for it? Whether or not it's legal is basically a non issue.

And besides all that, banning torture sends the right message to the rest of the world. It's a step in the direction to becoming a friendlier nation that doesn't go around fucking people's lives up, bombing their homes, and arresting them and holding them without trial for an indefinite amount of time. Probably a few innocent people in Gitmo that are going to hold quite a grudge against America for what we did to them.

[Noodles]

huh? oh.

Oh, say can you see by the dawn's early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?


'nuf said.

As that was written in the war of 1812, I'd just like to use it to say "Hey, at least we have the balls to pick on someone bigger than us". That's the trouble with America, and the main reason we don't particularly like them. All they've ever done is stomp on a bunch of farmers and made life misery. WW2 is the only major engagement they've ever had against someone who was "evil" and so they apply that same "evil" to others to justify themselves.
WW1 doesn't really count, you were only there for a year and a half call that your warm up...

And before anyone mentions the Civil War, ours had the same number of casualties and was 200 years before (about 600,000).

America is known as a warring nation but they simply haven't had enough experience at it and tend to completely balls it up.

Amazingly, that could be the root of their problems in Iraq/Afghanistan etc.

Btw, sorry I do know this does sound a bit e-penisy, but I seriously would love to discuss this with you and get other peoples' (esp. Yanks) views on it.

[no00dylan]

Ha ha, that last post of mine was actually just a joke, but point(s) taken.
I think it's sad how so many people hate/dislike America, even among the bad, there are good people here, and there are good people elsewhere too.

I think disliking another country is in someway a form of... prejudice? not sure how to say it.

I can't say that I hate Iraq, or any other country because I know there are good people there. But I can say that I hate people when they... you know.... bomb us?

Now, in case you mean something along the lines of, "I hate/dislike the US govt." I agree (somewhat) there were, are, and always will be wrongdoings of our govt, we have people like Blugoavich and Clinton to prove that. All we can do is say "oh well" and try and elect better people next time.

[Noodles]

Ha ha, that last post of mine was actually just a joke, but point(s) taken.
I think it's sad how so many people hate/dislike America, even among the bad, there are good people here, and there are good people elsewhere too.

I think disliking another country is in someway a form of... prejudice? not sure how to say it.

I can't say that I hate Iraq, or any other country because I know there are good people there. But I can say that I hate people when they... you know.... bomb us?

Now, in case you mean something along the lines of, "I hate/dislike the US govt." I agree (somewhat) there were, are, and always will be wrongdoings of our govt, we have people like Blugoavich and Clinton to prove that. All we can do is say "oh well" and try and elect better people next time.

Heh. Actually in my eyes Clinton's one of the best guys you had. At least he was smart and pretty intelligent. But of course he looks good in the light of Bush.

As for prejudice I understand what you're saying but, no not really. Prejudice is judging someone without evidence or justification, and I think America has justified our (or what was our) prejudice in someways. With regards to the people of course, that is more prejudice, at least for me as I don't have experience of them first hand. But there I'm not pretending I have knowledge of it, so I'd happily go over and find out first hand, I just can't! XD but of course there is some truth to it all. As it would be for us if you called us tea drinking, warm beer guzzling, er...
As for the warm beer bit, well, we drink ale/stout warm and lager cold. But they are very different drinks. And happily I live right in the middle of ale country XD

[Sorrow]

(ie racist sexist gayhaters gunowners... you know, people with real opinions

Yeah, hating gay people is having a real opinion, what happened to all the biblical values you all hold in such high esteem? respect for each other, love thy neighbour even if he is republican/democrat/gay/black/yellow/tainted with chaos

on the note "why everyone hates the US"

I think its a mix of jealousy and feelings of undeserving. People want "fairness."

This is priceless.

And If I recall from history, reagan did this country good. Create jobs, create wealth. No taking by force and sharing it. No burdens set on companies to stunt growth.

If there's one thing you shouldn't do in this world it's handing over power to major corporations who are hoarding billions for themselves which could have been spent on proper education so you wouldn't spout all your bigot bullshit.

Even Nickelodeon (a liberal child brainwashing television channel) makes tolerance, earth saving, animal protecting its forefront goal.

Yes because tolerance is bad, bad, bad! We must hate gays, arabs, eurotrash and every fucking heretic out there. Have you ever seen Fox News? They do the exact opposite, I bet it's your favourite channel they promote patriotism, polarisation and bigotry.

All of this makes me sick of the States. I love my country and the founding fathers who sacrificed everything to give us this equal opprotunity but its being taken away. I dont see why its soo hard for (majority europeans) people to grasp that. This country is about equal opprotunity, not equality.

Equal opportunity is something out of the 16th century when a new country was being colonised and every inhabitant enslaved or murdered for the colonists to have a clean slate.
Besides, you'll find more equal opportunity here than in the states.

In the reply which you served the Wanderer a link with the Taliban having the same opinion, that just shows how simple you are, it's the same kind of shit on tv like "Barack HUSSEIN Obama wants this and that"

"Hitler built freeways after he got in power" Obama wants to build freeways in our country too, vote for random republican idiot nr. 33

That's the way your presidential campaigns are handled, and what were you thinking with Palin, THAT would have been a disaster...

If we have terrorists who know information and we cant get that information b/c of the lame brain liberal who say "We should treat them with respect" and "be nice" should be hung. They are a threat to our nations security. Like I said, this nation is collapsing from the inside and when it does, itll land in the lap of Prince Obama and his cockamamey group of politicians that all socialist europeans adore.

After 8 years of torturing both real terrorists, and innocent people for information, bombing Iraq and Afghanistan what has it gotten you? Dead US soldiers and new people standing in line to get revenge on their murdered/bombed families.
People hate you because you fuck up, you came there with no good reason at all, bombed the shit of the place and left it in ruins. In the meantime Halliburton is ripping the army and everyone else off making billions in the process.
I think after 8 years of BS it's time for a different approach.

[Athlete{UK}]

I think everyone has made their opinions perfectly clear. I think a lock is in order because we're about to enter a big gay wanking chain in which we get nowhere.